Hey everyone - sorry I haven't been on in a while. My life got very busy there for a while. I'm hoping you experienced goatkeepers might be able to help me with a new problem I'm having. I'm a bit stuck and unsure of how to progress. I noticed my Alpine mix, Hasi, had a warm udder, I think it was yesterday morning, and produced a little less milk than usual. I didn't think too much of it, since it's really hot here in Texas right now and she might have just been laying on it or something and got it warmed up a bit, but I took a mental note. Then, I think it was yesterday evening, I felt a smallish lump inside her udder. I couldn't feel it except when she was completely empty, so I'm not 100% sure it's not always there, as I don't normally feel around a whole lot when she's empty, you know? Anyway, this worried me a bit, so I spent most of this afternoon browsing through these forums looking for information, and most of my looking led me to think she might have mastitis, especially after I checked her temperature and found she had a fever. The milk didn't taste or smell off at all, and it didn't appear stringy or clotted; but from what I've read, sometimes it doesn't. And she had the lump and the fever, so... Oh, and the lump doesn't seem to be sensitive. I was feeling all around it, squeezing it... Hasi didn't seem to care. Anyway, after some more looking I realized I couldn't just "treat mastitis," as apparently the treatment you need depends on what type of bacteria is causing the infection. So we hurried to the nearest goat vet I know of, who was about to close for the day, and... well, I'm not sure how many goats she sees, but she seemed to think it wasn't mastitis because the milk looked normal. Was I wrong that milk can sometimes appear normal with mastitis? Or does this vet maybe not know very much about goats? She suggested maybe Hasi had an abscess but she really didn't seem very sure. She said it could also be a tumor, or also I think something about a lymph node if I remember right. I wasn't certain what to ask her to do as far as treatment, as she wasn't giving me very much to go off of. I didn't want to do antibiotics in case it WAS mastitis and I needed to send it off for culturing, but I didn't really want to just spend $120 on the culture thing straight off the bat if the vet thought it probably wasn't mastitis anyway. I ended up having her inject some kind of fever reducer, the name of which I immediately forgot, and she gave me some pills to put in her food for pain and inflammation. Moxy something I think. And I stopped at TSC on my way home and got some mastitis tests. Those yellow dots did NOT turn blue at all, and I'm pretty sure I followed the instructions and did the test correctly. So I guess she doesn't have mastitis. And here I am almost back at square one, except now I know it's probably not mastitis. I'm wondering what you much more experienced goatkeepers think my next step should be. Should I assume it's an abscess like the vet seemed to suspect and take her back to the clinic for antibiotics? I have some Penicillin G here that I got for my horse earlier this year - can I give her that? I know it's technically "off label" since goats aren't listed on the bottle, but we've had a really rough time lately with car problems and a laminitic horse and a dog with an immune disorder, so I'm worried about spending the extra money on prescribed antibiotics if the stuff I have already would work just fine... Will a vet give you permission over the phone to use Penicillin on a goat? Do I need to be less worried about the rules of medicine? I don't want to risk getting into trouble, but I don't want to waste a bunch of time and money either. If there's something less prescriptiony that you've done and you think might work, I'm open to that too. I saw that a lot of people use a peppermint oil rub to help treat mastitis. Perhaps mint would also help with whatever Hasi has going on in her udder? I plan to give her vitamin C and garlic - I saw a lot of people recommending that for mastitis. The problem is, most of what I found pertained to mastitis, and that doesn't seem to be what I'm dealing with... I'm going to do more research, just thought I'd cast a line here as well, since you guys have been so amazingly helpful. On the positive side, I had the vet run a fecal while I was there and she said she didn't see anything, and that whatever I was doing for worms was working very well, so I'm happy about that. I'm using Molly's Herbals. TLDR: My lactating doe with a fever and a not-sensitive lump in her udder tested negative for mastitis. What could be the problem?