This is the first time I have ever Debudded goats. I cried when Dude let out a ear pircen scream. Do you ever get over want to scoop them up and tell them that is it going to be alright?? The smell was horrible. Could not go though have tasha's done so she still has buds. Was going to ahve Pani's blunted but chicken out again. All the little ones I took care of this year that needed there done I was there with a bottle for them after they where done. I still remember there cries. I think when I have my own herd that I am going to love haven horns on my little guys or not be there when they are done. My little guys right now are running around with purple head due to blue coat.