goat autopsy (WARNING-PICS)

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by sgian, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. sgian

    sgian New Member

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    Jun 18, 2008
    missouri
    Some of you may have seen this yesterday in another forum. I was wondering if perhaps someone here knew the answer.

    I found some things that didn't look right, and I was hoping that someone more experienced in this wouldn't mind looking at the pics to see if they don't look right. The heart looked like a portion had burst, but when I went to get the camera the dog snuck over and ate the heart. It seems odd that he only ate the heart and then left.

    -There was very little blood, apparently it had mostly coagulated.
    -The lungs were pink and full of a white foam that bubbled out when pressed. There was a large blister on one of the lungs, which I took a picture of.
    -The stomachs were all soft, and almost everything looked digested. There was one thing in the big stomach that looked kind of like a cherry pit, but it was soft and crushed easily when pressed with the flat of the knife.
    -There was no fluid in the cavity.
    -the worst smell was from opening the stomach cavity, although I didn't pierce any of the stomachs or intestines when cutting it open. I assume the smell was from laying dead all night before we found her. The contents of the stomachs didn't seem very strong after that, but drinking unfiltered well water from a plastic cup reminds me so much of the smell that I can't drink from plastic cups right now.
    -I didn't notice any holes in the organs except the heart.
    -There was a large white sack full of yellow fluid on the liver, along with a bunch of small solid white growths. The liver had a lot of grey in it, especially under the large sack and inside. The liver is a lot lighter and less uniform in color than goat liver pics I saw on the internet, and I didn't see a sack like my goat's in my search.
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    Here are the lungs. The large clear blister is below my thumb.
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    This is the behavior before she died...
     
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Some ideas that come to mind (no expert) CL or poisoning by the cherries. I have never had a goat get sick from acorns or oak leaves (that is all we have here besides pine).

    He scouring was probably from the cherries but worms could have been a possibilty but due to you saying you didn't find anything pertaining ot worms in her gut I dont know :shrug:
     

  3. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Could there have been cocci or giardia? I know that some intestinal parasites are not visable to the eye.

    I am not sure what the lesion on the lung is, but I would see if you could send it to a Veterinary College or pathology to see what they say.

    I am sorry that you lost your goatie :hug:

    Allison
     
  4. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    The lesion on the lung definately is not normal and the white sac on the liver...is it possible that was the gallbladder? I don't know...Cl would be a possibility if you noticed enlarged lymph glands when you did the necropsy but it also could have been the cherries that caused her death...you may not have noticed the pits in her gut as she would have chewed them and then the acid would have taken care of the rest possibly leading to the heart muscle bursting...I'm not sure how the poisoning will affect an animal but a superfast heartbeat raises bloodpressure and may have caused the heart to fail :shrug:


    Very interesting pics too...though I honestly don't know if I could do that myself, it sure would be easy to find out what happened to the goat..I hope you can get some answers...maybe contact a vet thats willing to check out te abcess on the lung and the lumps on the liver.
     
  5. Nupine

    Nupine New Member

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    Nov 13, 2007
    South Eastern Ohio
    So sorry, shouldn't have looked at pic. I ''was'' hungry.
    Ashlyn
     
  6. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    maybe advanced CL? Although you would see more internal abscesses than that.

    The little thingy on her liver doesn't really seem normal, I know chickens are different but I remember butchering chickens and the gall bladder was not that color.

    The thing on her lung, did you pop it at all to see what was in it? was it firm or soft?

    Did you find any excessive bleeding in the intestines?
     
  7. sgian

    sgian New Member

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    Jun 18, 2008
    missouri
    It probably was CL. Several weeks ago I drew blood from all but my smallest goats and had them tested for CL. I got the results today and it turns out that her blood test was a weak positive. Someone on another forum pointed out that the big white thing was the gallbladder and it should have had green fluid, so the liver failed. The blisters on the liver probably were abscesses.

    IIRC the blister on the lung had air in it, either that or clear fluid. It popped easily with the knife.

    I butchered the other goat that had a weak CL positive blood test and found a cheesy abscess in the armpit and in the brain. I'm getting tired of this stuff. I'd rather be petting and feeding these goats than butchering my favorites, but I've got another CL goat to do tomorrow.
     
  8. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    I am so sorry it has turned out this way. But better you erradicate the diseas than have it spread thru your healthy herd :hug:
     
  9. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I hope you butchered them in a tarp and not onto your property. I am so sorry you had to do that though :hug: :tears:
     
  10. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    from the symptoms its sounds like poisening, the oak and cherry would have done it. Too much can be fatel. CL is horrible, but i have never read anything about it killing a goat. Im sure if there were enough internal abcess' on the brain and lungs it woul, but it would be slow. A goat that is fine and then goes down hill like that is something different.
    beth
     
  11. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    I agree Beth, as fast as this otherwise healthy goat went down it had to be poisoning from the cherry...I know that it's either arsenic or cyanide in the "pitted fruit trees" that cause the poisoning. It is a shame either way, poisening or other cause but as you said, Cl is a disease that doesn't cause a sudden death.