Goat with Lump on Face

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by prairiegal, Jan 12, 2011.

  1. prairiegal

    prairiegal New Member

    15
    Apr 23, 2010
    Hey guys-
    Kinda stressing out here-- went out this afternoon and noticed one of my girls (2 year old Nubian) has a lump on the side of her jaw- I don't know how long it has been there...

    It is about the size of a large marble- hairless and semi-squishy. Not rock hard, but not as soft as, say, a water ballon, either.

    Obviously, I know CLA is the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "lump on goat", but could it be a salivary cyst?

    She is acting perfectly fine otherwise- eating, drinking, etc.

    What should be my next course of action? Take her to the vet, or address it at home? (the local vets are large animal, but aren't technically "goat vets"...)

    I'm still a semi-newbie to goats and just need the advice of some seasoned goat folks!

    Thanks in advance, I'm worried about my girl....
     
  2. nancy d

    nancy d Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    near Seattle
    Yes, it could be a salivary cyst or she could have been poked with something.
    Chances are it's not CL.
    Have the vet lance it & send the contents to WADDL for testing to be sure.
    Meantime dont stress over it, easier said than done. :hug:
     

  3. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    I agree with nancy d...if you can have the vet do it that would be great, if not and you want to try doing it yourself, you will need to pen her separate from the rest, prepare a sterile area with newspaper on the floor, use an 18 gauge needle and tap it on the bottom of it, close to her face, not the top or the center...tapping the bottom will allow it to drain downward. Once you have the gunk sucked into the syringe, cap the needle and place it into a disposable cup. Take another syringe minus the needle and flush the now empty hole with a gentled iodine solution, wear gloves and have a roll of paper towels close by to hold a wad under her jaw so the flushed out material soaks the paper, get a tube of dollar store triple antibiotic ointment and literally fill the flushed out hole with it. Wipe any of the mess from the lump off of her face and then take all the newspaper you laid as well as the paper towels and syringe used to flush AND the empty tube of ointment and put it all in a trash bag, remove the gloves and put those in too. Burn everything. Take the gunk that is in the syringe and have a red top tube( vet can supply this) ready, take the rubber stopper off the top, push the gunk into it, replace the stopper, wrap in paper towels place in plastic bag and send it to WADDL. Keep her in quarantine until you get the results back otherwise you risk exposing the rest of your goats to something that may hurt them.
    If you can take her to the vets office, even better, this way you won't need to do all the bio security above as it will be opened off of your property.
     
  4. imaginationacres

    imaginationacres New Member

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    Sep 27, 2009
    Virginia
    I agree with Nancy and Liz for sure. I recently had a similar issue with my girl Dixie, a maleable abscess/lump on the side of her face. Interestingly after it was tapped with an 18 G needle by the vet for testing it disapeared. The fluid inside we a serous pink-clear liquid. I'm waiting on the CL results now on pins and needles. Good luck!!
     
  5. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    It could be several different things besides CL. She could have been poked inside her mouth, bottle jaw, tooth issue, etc. If it gets bigger to where you can stick a needle in and get fluid out, do that and send it into WADDL. Good luck...will be crossing my fingers for ya...but I have a feeling this is not CL. ;)
     
  6. lissablack

    lissablack New Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    Everyone is right to recommend testing. If you can do it somewhere off your property (at the vet) it is much better. You do need to keep her isolated until you have the test results. Hope it will be negative, but at least you will know for sure. I have a friend who had everyone telling her the abscesses she was seeing in her herd were not CL, including her vet, and it turned out some of them were. This was a terrible disaster for her. Her conclusion is that she will never sell another goat. It just isn't worth it to take the risk. Nobody seems to know just how long the bacteria lives in the environment after an abscess ruptures. I have heard from months to 10 years, they just don't know.

    You need to do it fast, and isolate her now. What you are describing is the lead up to rupturing.

    Jan
     
  7. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Like everyone else said, I would take her to the vet. If it is a tooth abscess, you will want that taken care of right away. Hopefully your girl will be ok and it isn't something serious. Good luck with her.
     
  8. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
  9. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Yep - Isolate, test, and go from there!!
     
  10. prairiegal

    prairiegal New Member

    15
    Apr 23, 2010
    Hey guys-
    Just wanted to give an update!
    We tested the abscess and it is NOT CL, thank goodness!
    I was so relieved. My gut feeling was that it was not, because of it's location on the side of the goat's face, but I couldn't take a chance.
    I think from now on I am going to maintain a closed herd.
    That whole ordeal was just too stressful for me!

    And I wanted to say THANK YOU for all the great input- you guys really put my mind at ease and gave me a good game plan. :)
     
  11. lissablack

    lissablack New Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    That is terrific news! And now you don't have to wonder, couldn't be a better outcome. You made good decisions.

    Jan
     
  12. farmgirl42

    farmgirl42 New Member

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    Jan 2, 2010
    Eastern Ohio
    Whew! That is good news! :leap:
     
  13. nancy d

    nancy d Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    near Seattle
    YAY! Great news!! and way to go!
     
  14. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    :cool: :leap: :hi5: :hug: Congrats..what wonderful news...... :greengrin:
     
  15. yellowstone

    yellowstone New Member

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    Jan 8, 2011
    Colorado
    Reviving this old thread because I have a friend in the exact same situation as the original poster. She's got the doe isolated and thinking about draining it the way Liz said to...but she is terrified that if it is CL the virus will pass to her. So I'm trying to figure out, how common is it for the CL virus to be transmitted to humans? And what happens to the human if it is transmitted?

    I am just trying to convince her that it's probably a salivary cyst... but it's not my funeral if it's not... :p
     
  16. lissablack

    lissablack New Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    It is extremely rare for the CL bacteria to infect humans, but it is still a good idea to use gloves and be very careful. If it gets on the property anywhere it can transmit to other goats. If it's a salivary gland abscess it will spew saliva all over the place.

    Jan
     
  17. yellowstone

    yellowstone New Member

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    Jan 8, 2011
    Colorado
    Thanks so much, I will pass it on!
     
  18. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    I dont know how common it is, but if she wears gloves to protect any scratches she has should be fine. I had a doe with a salivary cyst, and was thinking it was cl, did a lot of reading, If it is cl, and the hair has not come off, she will most likely get nothing out with a needle, till the hair comes off it is the puss is almost rock hard.
     
  19. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    Ooops lisa, didnt see page #2
     
  20. lissablack

    lissablack New Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    Hey Jessica, your answer was terrific. Confirmation is always terrific.

    Jan