Tim finally kidded and I missed it- I checked on her at midnight then fell asleep and didn't wake til dawn. She had 4- all doelings but two were dead when I found them. Sounds heartless but that is better I think. I didn't want to bottle feed and three tore up her udder last year. She would have tried to feed all I know but I couldn't have let her do that- no more even three. So I would have had to pull them and tried to find homes for them. The two dead ones I don't think ever breathed because their airways were not clear- they were still warm so I tried to get them to breath but there was no response.. Now I have a problem with Tim- I had seen that she was laying down a lot towards the last couple of weeks but she would come for her grain and scratches so I thought it was just extreme preggoness. But she still won't stand for long- I found her on her front knees while the kids nursed (eventually-one just froze everytime I touched her so it took awhile to direct her to dinner) -I wonder now if her front feet are bothering her. After she rests awhile I wiill try to get her to stand while I see what I can see. I don't think I will breed Tim again- at least for a couple of years- she's just tooooo fertile and so many babies are hard on her. Her first year she had two, last year three and this year four- I'm scared about next year- so she gets a good long rest. And speaking of rest- I need to crash awhile myself.