Gretta kidded !!! .....

Discussion in 'Kidding Koral' started by MiddleRiver, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Yay !!! My Gretta ( Alpine doe - will be a 2yr old FF ) is now on day 145 today ! She is bred to my late buck GT - i just can't wait any longer to see these kids !!! I'm hopeing for twin does !!! Or at least one doe :+) In a pretty lavender color would be perfect as well ! She is progressing nicely - lost her plug a couple weeks ago ( my first to do this - my other ones lost it just a couple hours before kidding ), her udder is filling, and her rear end is loose - i'd love her to go this weekend, though i've always had them go after their due dat :+(

    I'm also wondering if anybody with preggo Alpine pics would post them for me to see - I'd just like to compare my does bellies to theirs :+) Please let me know how many kids they had ( or you think they will have ), how far along in the pic they are, and how many times they have kidded. I'd love to see your pics !

    Well it looks like i got three does bred to GT before he passed away, two more to go after Gretta - my snubian doe is due 3/31 and another alpine due 4/18 - i can't wait !!! Thanks !!!
     
  2. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    good luck

    Good luck with your girls!! I bet you will have some beautiful babies!
     

  3. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Thanks ! I'm hopeing it's at least a bit warmer when she kids - it's been very cold here lately (-20-30 below windchill ) but is supposed to be around 20 above this weekend.
     
  4. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
    ......................................................................................................................... 30 degrees here is too cold for me.

    Good luck!!!! And hopefully she kids with twin does!! On the weekend too!
     

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  5. FarmGirl18

    FarmGirl18 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Oklahoma
    Exciting!! I have a Boer doe that's on day 146, guess we'll see who goes first. :)
     
  6. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Thanks you guys !!! I really hope she goes this weekend.

    Does nobody have pics of their preggo Alpines ?
     
  7. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Re: Day 145 for my Gretta ! I'm also looking for .....

    Well still no kids...the 18th was day 150. She was huge, by looking at her i thought for sure twins, but now, she doesn't even look preggo - do the kids really drop that much ? She is surely preggo, but now i'm bummed thinking she will only have one, someday. I hand bred her, so am sure of the dates - that was her only breeding.

    She isn't acting off, is actually acting very normal in the kidding stall. I'm getting frustrated. Her ligs are gone as far as i can tell - i can pretty much wrap my fingers around her tail bone, and she is very soft back there. She doesn't have a huge udder, but good enough for a FF - there is milk in there - i'm sure it will get much bigger before or after she kids though. Monday she started yawning a lot which my Saanen did two days before kidding, so maybe soon ?

    Two weeks ago i was worried about her as she looked like she could pop at anytime - lost her plug, always laying down ect. But now ( for the last two days ) she doesn't even look preggo ! Not much of a belly at all !!! I can feel her kid(s) VERY easy under her tummy in front of her udder - so i know there are still there by that.

    ohhh.... the wait is just killing me :hair:
     
  8. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Re: Day 145 for my Gretta ! I'm also looking for .....

    yup they can drop that much. After she drops you know she is getting really close.

    Sounds like babies really soon!
     
  9. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Re: Day 145 for my Gretta ! I'm also looking for .....

    I sure hope kids are here soon Stacey ! That would be great - i also hope she gives me twins, as she looked like she was going to till two days ago. I really can't belive how small her belly is now - if i couldn't feel the kid(s) or hadn't seen her before i wouldn't belive she was preggo !
     

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  10. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Day 145 for my Gretta ! I'm also looking for .....

    Did I miss a new post? Did she kid yet?
     
  11. alyssa_romine

    alyssa_romine Breaking Dawn Ranch

    Oct 4, 2007
    arkansas
    Re: Day 145 for my Gretta ! I'm also looking for .....

    Liz, I missed this post too...how is your doe, did she kid???
     
  12. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Re: Day 145 for my Gretta ! I'm also looking for .....

    Well Gretta kidded Friday the 22nd about 2:00pm, DH kidded her out and i was stuck at work till 4 - it about killed me !

    She kidded no problem DH said, and clean out right away, but never really showed interest in the kids. And well she wanted nothing to do with her buckling ( she had a buckling and a doeling ) and DH took him away for good by the time i got home, he says she was attacking him, picked him up by his ear and threw him, and was still going after him till DH could get to him.

    And to top it all off, she wouldn't mother the doeling either - we gave her till about 8 or 9 pm, and i held her several times to let the doeling nurse, but she payed no attention to her and would even knock her over when she walked by her, so we decide to play it safe and bottle feed both of them.

    I milked mom ( and still do and will continue to ) and feed them about every 5 hours - somtimes every 4 or 6 hours, as that is just what our schedual allows - even through the night. The little girl doesn't have a huge appitite like the boy, but will now eat about 6 oz every feeding, the boy eats about 8-9oz - is this enough ? When can i go to not feeing them in the night ? Or when can i go to 3 or possibly 4 times a day during the day ?

    How much should these little Alpines be getting at every feeding ? Mom is milked 2 x per day, am and pm - she is giving me about two of those ball canning jars (wide mouth ) ( the size that also works well for drinking glasses - i think they are a quart maybe ? or pint ? ) per milking, so 4 of those total. We use it all up on the kids - they go through it fast - so i'm a bit worried about their appitites increasing, as for now we have enough milk - but will we keep having enough ?

    The kids are doing great though, it was a bit hard getting the doeling to take the bottle at first, then she would only eat if i held her in my lap, but last night at the 2 am feeding she took the bottle on her own standing up just like her brother :+)

    They are adorable, and i'm very happy with them. I'm still working on getting somebody out to take pics so i can post them - they look very nice to my untrained eye but i'd like some knowlegeable opinions. The doeling is white with black face stripes/markings, a black stripe from head to tail down her back, black markings on her feet, and a tan/gold/lavender? rump - very pretty, very girly, her face reminds me of an arabian horse, just dainty and girly. She also seems to have very nice conformation and is a major improvement in my herd ! One issue i see with her though, is her left front and rear leg are a bit crooked, they like are a bit shaped like this ( if you are looking at her from the front ) - ! ) - The ! is her front right, the ) is her front left - it is NOT that curved, just slightly, nobody that has seen her has noticed it till i point it out - and it seems to be getting straighter and straighter, i deep down think it is just from being in the womb, and will be perfect in time, but really just wanted to ask.

    The buckling is great as well, very friendly and cute ! One ear is a bit swollen and flops though, as thats the one Gretta bit. He is the same color as her, choc. brown, with tan accents at his flanks and elbow, and a white spot on his side and white stockings and stripes on his face.

    Thanks everybody !
     
  13. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    what an eventful day you had.

    So are these out of your buck you lost recently?

    Congratulations on the twins!!! :cool:

    They sound so pretty - when you can I can't wait to see their pictures.

    As to amounts and times. Trying to remember back here (it was years ago that I bottle fed) but I don't think I ever fed through the night except on like the first week then after that they are ok through the night. You have to feed them late and then early in the morning but they can go like 5-7 hours.

    as to amounts and times - what you are doing now is good for the first few weeks and then as they get older you can start spreading their bottles out and upping the amount you give.

    If the jars are drinking size they are pints, and if you get 4 of them that means 2 quarts of milk, not bad for the beginning of her lactation. It should pick up as the days go on. They are at their peak at 4-8 weeks after kidding. Keep massaging and bumping the udder after you have stripped her out at the end of milking. This will stimulate her body to produce more milk, you are simulating the kids asking for more.

    i hope this helps some. THose who bottle feed more regularly can give you a better idea on a schedule that they use.
     
  14. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Yes they are GT's kids - my first ones out of him, i may also have a Snubian doe due to him 3/31 and i belive my other Alpine doe is due to him 4/18. So far i LOVE what i see ! I really wish i would have had more then one breeding season with GT.

    Thanks for the info on bottle feeding :+) That seems pretty good to me for only being a FF on day 3 - she so far ( limited experiance ) is my best producer and it's only day 3 - by the looks of her udder, i think she could really produce, i was wondering when they start to increase production as well. I thought is seemed like a lot, i thought those size jars were quarts ! but i'm thinking, hmmmm.... i don't think i'm feeding these kids a gallon a day - lol ! So i guess i'm feeding them only a quart each a day total then ? thats doesn't sound like much, hope i'm doing this right :+) So when they up their appitite, chances are Gretta's production will also start to go up as well ? I'd like to have some left over milk for us - is that ever going to happen ?

    You know, i haven't been milking her till i can't get anything, i can always get another squirt - and don't bump her when i'm done, just during milking. Should i milk till there is nothing ? Can i hurt her udder by doing that ? She is easy to milk, large stream of milk, and perfect sized teats ( up till her, i've only had pinky - sized FF teats - this sure is a nice difference ! ), and really shows capacity ability ( i really think she has a lot of potential as a heavier milker ), so i really think i could push her to make more, but how ? She is in good condition as well. She seems like she is just getting started.

    I can't wait to show you all some pics !
     
  15. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Nope you can't hurt her by stripping her out. Just keep bumping and massaging to get the last drop out and then a little bit afterwards.

    How much grain are you feeding her? Water, salt and grain are needed for milk production. So make sure you have all three available to her and her production will go up.

    It takes a couple weeks for the colostrum to get out of the milk so you don't want to be drinking it now anyway (like 2 weeks) and then at that point whenever there is extra you can start drinking it/using it. You may find that until you start weaning the kids at 8 or so weeks old you won't be getting any milk. Those little buggers drink a lot as they get bigger. But if her production jumps up you maybe able to have a quart or so yourself even before bottle feeding is done.

    I love easy milkers - I use to be able to milk 2 does in 5 minutes.
     
  16. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Thanks Stacey - she has purina goat minerals, water, hay ( grass mix ) and i feed her all the alfalfa pellets she will eat ( usually about 2 scoops per day, i think my scoop is about 2 heaping cups worth ), and right now she is getting one scoop of oats, one scoop of barley, one scoop of beet pulp am and pm on the milk stand. Do you have any better suggestions ? Also, the oats are rolled oats, is this the right kind ? When should i start upping her grains, and what would be the most i'd want to feed her ? I don't have a scale, so i really can't weigh it, but she usually doesn't have time to finish it on the milkstand, so i put her back in a pen by herself to finish it, then she goes back in with the herd.
     
  17. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I think what you are doing is good.

    Basically you have to play it by ear and see how she does. If she looks to be getting to thin or not producing enough, you then need to change something - usually just giving more of the "grain" is enough.
     
  18. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Congrats on the new kids!!!

    I have a bottle feeding schedule that works really good for me, I have a sleeping baby on my lap right now but when he wakes up I'll get it for you :)
     
  19. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    That would be great goathappy :+) I couldn't have asked for more in my doeling - she is just perfect to me :+)