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What is the opinion on hand breeding vs living together for a month. My breeding pen is still under construction so have been hand breeding.
Put doe and buck together in morning. Any suggestions.
 

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I honestly prefer hand breeding.. I like to see the deed and know when my doe is due... not just a round about time of the month.. That would drive me batty ;) lol!
 

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If you can tell she is in heat, then when you see her in heat, put the male in. I only leave him in long enough to do the deed a couple times, then take him back out. You could leave him for a period of time during the day.

If you can't tell heat, then everyday put him in the pen and see how she reacts. If she is not liking him bothering her, then take him back out immediately and just keep trying until she is interested.
 

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I prefer to pasture breed. I go out daily and check for activity, my Buck and Doe's let me know. I write down on the calender, when I see a Doe is in, or being constantly chased, every day, until she goes out.
If she was witnessed bred, I will put that down as well.
So, if a Doe is in and 18 to 21 days later, she does not come in, she is preggo, then on the 22nd day, I start planning the due date.
I have had no issues with knowing, when they will kid.

You have to think of what month you want babies, so, count 5 months later, from when you want to breed. Allow a month extra, cause sometimes a Doe, does not take the first go around but, does on the second.

You can hand breed, but for me, it is too much, as I have many Does.;)
 

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Ok thank you! This is the first time breeding my own does last year took does to a lady that had bucks. This is so exciting
She does not seem to be in heat will keep trying.
 

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If hand breeding is possible that is the the best IMO only so you have the date.
When I hand breed I have a halter on the doe and I am holding her the whe time and I know it happened. Make sure the doe hunches afterwards.
 
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Another ya for hand breeding. We keep minimal bucks (2) for 50 some does. So hand breeding assures that they have enough... mo jo to go around :) Helps if you can pen a buck next to the doe pen to see who is in heat each morning / evening. We use power river horse panels AND combo panels between them just so the buck cant destroy the fencing. This is also how we separate the boys from each other. Unless they are being jerks then we move them around a bit so their is a walkway between em.
 

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;)My does have the ability to walk to the buck pen, which keeps my bucks fairly crazy. When I see mucous and the does standing looking at the bucks or calling to them - you can be pretty sure. I open the pen and out she goes to the bucks gate. Since the doe can run back to her pen when she has enough - I keep the buck on leash and put him back after the breeding. However, that worked at year 1 - now that the bucks pack a bigger punch (in weight) - I'm not so sure I want to be "leashed" to the buck at this point. lol I did find last year, the does would come in heat, breed, then back in heat within 7 days - then they would go the 18-21 days until bred.

I swore I would never have bucks - now I am in love.;)
 

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I do pen breeding. I throw the bucks in for 2 months, and the girls generally start kidding within a week of when he went in. Spring and summer are too busy to do hand breeding, and winters are too darned cold! :laugh:
 

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According to Goathappy (a member who no longer comments)...

I was told by my mentor that in order to get more doe kids(or at least one doe kid per kidding) that you need to take the doe to the buck only once, and early in the heat and then don't take the doe to the buck again. The reasoning for doing it this way is that male sperm swims fast and dies young, while female sperm swims slow and lives longer. The doe ovulates at the end of the heat so by breeding her only once early in the heat you are giving the female sperm a chance to "win the race" so to speak when she ovulates. I've been doing this for 3 years and my kidding rate is always at least 50/50. The first year I bred goats I took the does to the buck like 3 or 4 times during the heat and I had 100% bucks that year with the exception of a doe who was taken only once because she wouldn't stand(we didn't think she was in standing heat) but she was the only doe that year that kidded with does and she had twin does.
Quoted from her comment on this thread: http://www.thegoatspot.net/forum/f219/very-bucky-year-119493/index2.html
 

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I do both :) When I pen breed I use a marking harness on the buck. It is pretty obvious when the doe has been marked as bred by a large area of color on her rump. If you have a lot of does to breed I would hand breed them, just because you can limit the buck and make sure he doesn't get worn out or that he doesn't miss does by sticking with one all day while one or more others are also in heat. I usually pen breed the Boers and hand breed the dairies.
 

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Goathappy may of been right about the male sperm and the female sperm. BUT the female sperm get distracted along the way. Chatting with friends or shopping. So it still turns out to be a 50/50 chance anyways :)
:slapfloor::ROFL: I love it! lol

All the times I have AI'ed my does, I thought I was doing it a tad bit early trying to increase doe chances I ended up with 2 sets of twin bucks and one set of buck doe twins.
 

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Wow that is great info. Today is the first day that the buck was very interested in her he was chasing her around the pen with his tongue out singing to her. I had to leave to get feed and when I came back he was not interested again do you think he got her?
The other buck in the next pen was ready to tear down the fence to get her this morning. I had to put up a board to keep him calm.
 

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About what goat happy said, what do they mean by saying only take her in once? Does she mean only let the buck mount her once or what? I would like to try this.
 
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