I've dealt with it a few times, the last kids I had from a ketotic doe were healthy, on the small side, but healthy and growing well.
Has anyone had a pregnant doe with ketosis (toxemia)
My does pulled through so far. Just wondering how it might affect babies? Due in about 4 weeks.
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Thanks so much.
Keep up the treatment.....through out the remainder of the pregancy..be prepared to help her...but the kids should be fine
Best wishes
Best wishes
So treat her like I am now? My daughter said work it down to 8 hour intravels Until she is eating grain good again. But you say keep on even if ketosis is testing neg. And she is eating normally
Its easy for them to have a relapse. I lost the only case of pt I ever had but I know I read to watch them very carefully because it can still sneak back up on you.
Yes...You dont want her to relapse. it will be much harder on her next time...Many dont survive the first time around....Pregnacy toxemia is what they get before the kid and Ketosis is what they get after...here is a quote from http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/articles2/preglactatingdoes06.html
On the cause, and the treatment on both...I hopeit helps in your girls care...Best wishes
On the cause, and the treatment on both...I hopeit helps in your girls care...Best wishes
When Pregnancy Toxemia occurs, a dramatic change in feed will not solve the problem. Instead, divide her grain into three or four small meals each day. Make sure that she eats a lot of top-quality grass hay. Leave fresh, clean water out free choice. Also offer some warm water laced with molasses or apple juice to encourage water consumption. The doe needs to drink a lot of water to flush toxins from her kidneys. An occasional handful of alfalfa hay may prove helpful. Proplylene glycol dosed at 60 cc orally twice a day can be used, but this product is hard on her kidneys and goats usually don't like it. An alternative to propylene glycol is a combination of 50% dextrose diluted with an equal amount of water and given orally at a rate of 60 cc twice per day. Molasses and water or Karo syrup and water can also be used. Get both Vitamin B12 and Fortified Vitamin B Complex into her, and orally drench her with GoatAde (www.goatsupplies.com). Feed the doe as many green leaves as she will eat; in off-growing season, pick dried leaves and offer them to her free choice. Oral administration of CMPK or MFO is desirable. Niacin at a rate of 1000 mg per day is helpful. Daily dosing with Goat Guard Probiotic Paste is advisable (www.goatsupplies.com). Moderate exercise is essential; do not allow the doe to be inactive.
A good preventative measure for both Pregnancy Toxemia and Ketosis is to offer molasses-based 20% protein sheep-and-goat blocks free choice to all pregnant does. The energy available from the sugars in these blocks goes a long way towards counteracting possible nutritional problems. Buy the 33-pound sheep-and-goat blocks because they do not have minerals that slow down ("limit") consumption. Make sure that the sheep-and-goat blocks do not contain urea or non-protein nitrogen. Use these blocks as supplements to whatever else is being fed. A goat's ability to overeat on these blocks is almost non-existent. Offer loose minerals made for goats on a free-choice basis; the does will eat the goat minerals as they need them. This is a good example of a situation where a combination block is not desirable. One size does not fit all.
Ketosis describes conditions similar to Pregnancy Toxemia that occur once kidding has taken place. If the pregnant female does not receive adequate amounts of proper nutrition to feed both herself and her unborn kids, when she begins the kidding process or has just completed kidding, her body will draw upon stored fat reserves in order to produce milk to feed her babies. Then her own body tissues begin go into starvation mode and deadly ketones are released as by-products of this process. A quick way to diagnose Ketosis: a doe with sweet-smelling urine is ketotic. Ketosis test strips can be purchased at pharmacies; they are an over-the-counter product but usually have to be requested. Placing a ketosis test strip in a urine stream results in a color change that identifies if Ketosis is present. Tip: A goat urinates and then defecates when it first stands after having been in a sitting position for some time.
Treatment is the same as described above for Pregnancy Toxemia. Bringing a doe back from Ketosis is difficult; death is often the result. Prevention of Ketosis is simple. Feed her properly during pregnancy and after kidding. Ketosis -- like Pregnancy Toxemia -- is caused by improper feeding by the producer.
You can cut treatment to once a day...but it wont hurt to continue giving her treatment...if you are using Propolyne Glycol..you can switch to Molasses and water which is a 50/50 mix...Vit B 12 and B complex are also useful...
Yes...You dont want her to relapse. it will be much harder on her next time...Many dont survive the first time around....Pregnacy toxemia is what they get before the kid and Ketosis is what they get after...here is a quote from http://www.tennesseemeatgoats.com/articles2/preglactatingdoes06.html
On the cause, and the treatment on both...I hopeit helps in your girls care,if you are using Proplyn Glycol, I might switch to 50/50 molasses and water, its not hardon the kidneys as P.G...Best wishes
On the cause, and the treatment on both...I hopeit helps in your girls care,if you are using Proplyn Glycol, I might switch to 50/50 molasses and water, its not hardon the kidneys as P.G...Best wishes
When Pregnancy Toxemia occurs, a dramatic change in feed will not solve the problem. Instead, divide her grain into three or four small meals each day. Make sure that she eats a lot of top-quality grass hay. Leave fresh, clean water out free choice. Also offer some warm water laced with molasses or apple juice to encourage water consumption. The doe needs to drink a lot of water to flush toxins from her kidneys. An occasional handful of alfalfa hay may prove helpful. Proplylene glycol dosed at 60 cc orally twice a day can be used, but this product is hard on her kidneys and goats usually don't like it. An alternative to propylene glycol is a combination of 50% dextrose diluted with an equal amount of water and given orally at a rate of 60 cc twice per day. Molasses and water or Karo syrup and water can also be used. Get both Vitamin B12 and Fortified Vitamin B Complex into her, and orally drench her with GoatAde (www.goatsupplies.com). Feed the doe as many green leaves as she will eat; in off-growing season, pick dried leaves and offer them to her free choice. Oral administration of CMPK or MFO is desirable. Niacin at a rate of 1000 mg per day is helpful. Daily dosing with Goat Guard Probiotic Paste is advisable (www.goatsupplies.com). Moderate exercise is essential; do not allow the doe to be inactive.
A good preventative measure for both Pregnancy Toxemia and Ketosis is to offer molasses-based 20% protein sheep-and-goat blocks free choice to all pregnant does. The energy available from the sugars in these blocks goes a long way towards counteracting possible nutritional problems. Buy the 33-pound sheep-and-goat blocks because they do not have minerals that slow down ("limit") consumption. Make sure that the sheep-and-goat blocks do not contain urea or non-protein nitrogen. Use these blocks as supplements to whatever else is being fed. A goat's ability to overeat on these blocks is almost non-existent. Offer loose minerals made for goats on a free-choice basis; the does will eat the goat minerals as they need them. This is a good example of a situation where a combination block is not desirable. One size does not fit all.
Ketosis describes conditions similar to Pregnancy Toxemia that occur once kidding has taken place. If the pregnant female does not receive adequate amounts of proper nutrition to feed both herself and her unborn kids, when she begins the kidding process or has just completed kidding, her body will draw upon stored fat reserves in order to produce milk to feed her babies. Then her own body tissues begin go into starvation mode and deadly ketones are released as by-products of this process. A quick way to diagnose Ketosis: a doe with sweet-smelling urine is ketotic. Ketosis test strips can be purchased at pharmacies; they are an over-the-counter product but usually have to be requested. Placing a ketosis test strip in a urine stream results in a color change that identifies if Ketosis is present. Tip: A goat urinates and then defecates when it first stands after having been in a sitting position for some time.
Treatment is the same as described above for Pregnancy Toxemia. Bringing a doe back from Ketosis is difficult; death is often the result. Prevention of Ketosis is simple. Feed her properly during pregnancy and after kidding. Ketosis -- like Pregnancy Toxemia -- is caused by improper feeding by the producer.
You can cut treatment to once a day...but it wont hurt to continue giving her treatment...if you are using Propolyne Glycol..you can switch to Molasses and water which is a 50/50 mix...Vit B 12 and B complex are also useful...
I've had it several times. Kids are usually fine.
Doe is usually fine after she kids unless she has been down so much her legs have atrophied.
Make sure if the doe is skinny she has enough to eat and then also do not let a doe get too fat.
Goats store their fat in their abdominal cavity so if you have a fat doe with triplets that are big there is not enough room for her to eat enough to meet her energy needs.
Doe is usually fine after she kids unless she has been down so much her legs have atrophied.
Make sure if the doe is skinny she has enough to eat and then also do not let a doe get too fat.
Goats store their fat in their abdominal cavity so if you have a fat doe with triplets that are big there is not enough room for her to eat enough to meet her energy needs.
She was in great condition. Gave. Her antibiotic and she went off feed and wound up in this condition. I had three does. Ones gone two left.
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