Help! Doe has slight cough and threw up cud

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nchen7

Discussion Starter · Nov 7, 2013

So my doe in milk hasn't been feeling well lately. She has been picking at her food, and today flat our refused to eat. This morning I gave her some kefir, and homemade electrolytes, then went off to work. I came home, armed with some antiacids, but she won't eat them. after bringing the other goats back, I noticed she had recently thrown up some cud, and has some cud smeared on the walls of her pen.

Her temp this morning was 101, and now it's 102.1. She got up, and looks fairly alert.

All I have on hand are ivomec, B12, red cell, activated charcoal, and other items that can be found in the kitchen. the local vet is, imo, not very good.

what else can I do?

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happybleats

· #21 · Nov 8, 2013

great job...its good that they forgive us....I think it is so funny that even the most in your face friendly goat will run from me when they are sick! Mia was raised here her whole life..you cant be out there with them without her being right at my hip..pushing my hand for loving..but today she had the runs and mamma went into "DR MODE"..took both me and my son to catch her for pepto and CD Antitoxin lol..after that...she wont even look me in the eye...lol.then once they feel better..you are best friend again lol...

nancy d

· #22 · Nov 8, 2013

Sorry Cathy I just had to laugh you horrible goatie mom.

happybleats

· #23 · Nov 8, 2013

I know right...

nchen7

Discussion Starter · #24 · Nov 8, 2013

ok, so this morning, she wasn't any better or worse.....

I gave her more tums and vit c pill with more charcoal. I also gave 3 cc's of ivomec orally (she's about 85lbs or so), and 4cc's of B12 SQ. have her belly a really nice rub, left her with some goodies (veggie scraps, raisins and banana....all of which she didn't eat when I was there). took her temp, and she's at 101.3.

after dealing with the other goats, I came back and she had passed that oil slurry I gave her last night (it was disgusting). cleaned that up, said a little prayer and left to go to work.

today, i'll be looking for some human vit B (should I get complex or thiamine?) and MOM. what else should I look for at the store?

apparently b/c it's getting to be the Christmas season, the port is holding shipments in for longer than usual, which is likely why there's nothing at the feed store. sigh.....

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nchen7

Discussion Starter · #25 · Nov 8, 2013

oh, I haven't noticed anymore coughing....

Trickyroo

· #26 · Nov 8, 2013

Prayers she recovers quickly ! Poor baby

nchen7

Discussion Starter · #27 · Nov 8, 2013

thanks Laura. sucks having a sick animal. at least people can talk!

Trickyroo

· #28 · Nov 8, 2013

nchen7 said:
thanks Laura. sucks having a sick animal. at least people can talk!

I know ! Im so sorry

Wish she would give you more of a hint of what the heck is wrong .

Trickyroo

· #29 · Nov 8, 2013

How are you giving the kefir ? I never heard of giving that .

janeen128

· #30 · Nov 8, 2013

nchen7 said:
ok, so this morning, she wasn't any better or worse..... I gave her more tums and vit c pill with more charcoal. I also gave 3 cc's of ivomec orally (she's about 85lbs or so), and 4cc's of B12 SQ. have her belly a really nice rub, left her with some goodies (veggie scraps, raisins and banana....all of which she didn't eat when I was there). took her temp, and she's at 101.3. after dealing with the other goats, I came back and she had passed that oil slurry I gave her last night (it was disgusting). cleaned that up, said a little prayer and left to go to work. today, i'll be looking for some human vit B (should I get complex or thiamine?) and MOM. what else should I look for at the store? apparently b/c it's getting to be the Christmas season, the port is holding shipments in for longer than usual, which is likely why there's nothing at the feed store. sigh.....

Yikes, so sorry you are going through this. If you can get something that has Thiamine in the B complex, then that is what I would get, so all your basis are covered. I'm not in the expert realm by any means but I've learned a lot from reading about it... Praying she gets better soon

nchen7

Discussion Starter · #31 · Nov 8, 2013

Trickyroo said:
How are you giving the kefir ? I never heard of giving that .

yes, i gave kefir yesterday, not today since i gave wormer. i'll give kefir later today.

it's just a yogurt type thing...but easier to do as long as your have the kefir grains. to me, it's a little strong to have by itself, but great in smoothies. it has more of the good bacteria in it. i dunno, it was the only probiotic thingy i have i home, so she got some...

Trickyroo

· #32 · Nov 8, 2013

Oh Im sure its great to give ! I was just curious how you did it

Thanks for explaining it for me

happybleats

· #33 · Nov 8, 2013

B complex with high levels of Thiamine would be great or do both the complex and an extra thiamine....
it has got to be frustrating not to be able to get what you need...
Keep up the kiefer
MOM should help if she has toxcity building..15 cc per 60# every 4 hours...her poop will soften as the MOM flushes the toxins out...be sure to keep her hydrated during this process...once she is eating again you stop MOM...you can then use pepto if she is very runny...or if its just ploppy, let it be...

Homemade Electrolytes

A half gallon of hot water
2-6 Tablespoons of Unsulphured Blackstrap Molasses or what you have on hand or honey
1-2 Tablespoons of Either Sea Salt, Epsom Salt, Baking Soda or Table Salt.
1 cup of Apple Cider Vinegar

Mix well and drench or let them drink it.

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nchen7

Discussion Starter · #34 · Nov 8, 2013

thanks Cathy. I was JUST about to ask you dosage of MOM. I found some in the store.

I wasn't sure if it's worms or toxins, or maybe both, so I gave her ivomec this morning. sigh. I have MOM on hand now, and 120 B100 pills. I read from goathiker that I need to give her 12 pills.

i'm supposed to get an update from the bf, but I haven't heard from him yet.....

happybleats

· #35 · Nov 8, 2013

Grind the pills up and add enough water to drench or mix it with her keifer : )

nchen7

Discussion Starter · #36 · Nov 8, 2013

that's the plan!

janeen128

· #37 · Nov 9, 2013

How is your doe today nychen7?

Trickyroo

· #38 · Nov 9, 2013

Yes , how is she ?

nchen7

Discussion Starter · #39 · Nov 9, 2013

So I think she's a LITTLE better. I gave her MOM last night and MOM this morning. Also some more antacids, vit C, kefir. She was nibbling on hay (ate more than before). Then I remembered goathiker saying beer starts rumen function (I think her rumen stopped working). So got a double stout, and gave her half the bottle. She started eating more!!

So this evening, I'm not sure what to give. Should I give her more MOM, beer, vit 9, antacids, kefir, any combination?

She doesn't want to drink either, so I'm drenching when I give her stuff. But now she's a bit stronger and can buck me off!

What to do????

janeen128

· #40 · Nov 9, 2013

I would say if she is chewing her cud, then you wouldn't have to give MOM or the beer. If she isn't then most likely just the beer. I would also drench her with electrolytes, probiotics (kefir in your case) if she isn't drinking yet. You might want to wait for Happybleats or Goathiker to confirm

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