Help please! Vitamins and anything else

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by Jarrod & Jody, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. Jarrod & Jody

    Jarrod & Jody Active Member

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    Oct 16, 2017
    Shady Point, Oklhoma
    hey! We are raising Nubians , I love Nubians but I haven’t been happy with how ours look. I need a list of everything I need for my Nubians! Vitamins,grow gel, everything I need please help!
     
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  2. elvis&oliver

    elvis&oliver Well-Known Member

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    Jun 27, 2018
    Pa
    I’ll let the experts answer better then I can. Are your Nubians milking does? Do you have any babies or wethers? This will get the thread started:)
    Good luck!
     
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  3. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    What are you giving them now? We need very detailed info.
     
  4. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    Yes you wanna give everything that goes into their body and when. From feed to any supplements, wormers anything like that.
     
  5. spidy1

    spidy1 Well-Known Member

    what kind of hay and how much do you use? grain? minerals? wormer: what kind, how often/schedule or checking of needed? I'm assuming they have free choice clean water, what if anything else are they eating, do they get pasture? if so info on pasture
     
  6. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

     
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  7. Jarrod & Jody

    Jarrod & Jody Active Member

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    Oct 16, 2017
    Shady Point, Oklhoma
    I feed cracked corn I have wormed with the horse wormer that’s ok for pregnant does, I have wethers, young does, Bucks , and nannies. I haven’t given any vitamins cause I don’t know a good selection to give that’s why I’m asking. The hay is fescue and alfalfah mix the water is just clean water kept clean.
     
  8. Jarrod & Jody

    Jarrod & Jody Active Member

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    Oct 16, 2017
    Shady Point, Oklhoma
    I need to know what I can mix in water , what I can mix in feed, I need to know it all.
     
  9. goatblessings

    goatblessings Fair-Haven Supporting Member

    Jan 5, 2015
    Southwest Ohio
    Cracked corn is generally not a good diet for goats. There are a lot of opinions out there as to brands, etc., but a general rule is a good all purpose GOAT SPECIFIC feed - I stay away from all sweet feed and feed a pelleted 16% with lots of good stuff in it formulated specifically for goats. I also add some beet pulp if my milking girls look a little too thin during milking/kidding and offer free choice hay. I feed a higher % pelleted feed to growing kids. Add alfalfa pellets if hay is poor quality. Good free choice LOOSE minerals for goats, cobalt block, copper bolus 3-4x per year, selenium as needed, run fecal check every month and worm according to worms or parasites found and dose appropriately. That's just my basics.
     
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  10. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Texas
    well, are they showing signs of copper deficaincy? Fish tail, discolored coats ( like a rusty color)https://www.newcountryorganics.com/copper-deficiency-in-goats/ free choice loose minerals(only loose minerals) are great for goats a few good brands are cargill onyx, sweetlix meatmaker (can be used on dairy goats) and purina wind and rain storm minerals, but they have to be loose minerals. Probiotics are good for their rumens. either the paste or the powder that goes into their water will do
    only deworm when needed if you supect your goats have worms, some symptoms are weight loss, anemia, acting "off" etc a way to be for sure if the goat has worms is to take a fecal sample to the vet and the will tell you what to deworm with and if the case is serious they will give you some red cell, b complex etc. worms arent something to take lightly, they can and will take a goat down quickly
    hay and alfalfa is great for goats too, because the long stems help them digest easier. Goats chewing cud is a good sign that their rumen is working
    if a goat is acting "off" take its temperature. all you have to do is put vaseline on the goats but put the thermometer in and wait for the results. a normal goat temp is from about 101 to 103 degrees farenheight.
    apple cider vinegar in your goats water is great for them! it makes their coats nice and shiny and healthy! i recomend that you give it to them but it isnt required
    selenium gel is also a good thing for them if you suspect that theyre deficiant https://thefreerangelife.com/selenium-deficiency-in-goats/
    it is good to have antibiotics on hand just incasehttps://www.thegoatspot.net/threads/the-tgs-medicine-cabinet-what-you-wont-be-without.112010/

    can the goats graze regularly?

    if the goats get bloated give them a very small amount of baking soda.
    do they have d draft free house? do any of them have a wet cough or runny nose or sneezing? these a re a few signs of pnemonia and ways to treat that is with draxxin of nuflor which are vet rx only TREAT IMMEDIATLEY!!!!!!!!!!!! pnemonia WILL take a goat down within a day!
    a dry cough could just be allergies and so could a runny nose so be careful when determined if your goats have pnemonia

    This is only a few things lol. goats are NOT east keeper but theyre worth it
     
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  11. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Texas
    and for bucks and wethers be sure not to give them too much calcium because it can cause urinary calculi which is not a fun thing to treat
     
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  12. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

    I'd stop the corn. It is all calories, no nutrition. Alfalfa pellets are much better, and an easy buy while you research more. You need a loose mineral mix, and either kelp meal or sea salt. If you have access to a TSC, then they usually have Purina Wind and Rain, Storm cattle minerals. They are pretty easy to find while you get more research done Here is a thread on minerals you may want to read https://www.thegoatspot.net/threads/excellent-minerals-you-know-how-i-love-me-those-minerals.194612/

    Loose minerals and salt is absolutely critical. They need access to them 24 hours per day. Don't ignore this.

    How do you feed, on or off the ground? Are any bullied out of a communal feeding area? And are they in pens, pasture, or free range? Do they have any natural browse?

    How is your milk production? Lots of milk is the best way to get kids to grow. Alfalfa is the best feed for that, imo. Lambars are a good way to ensure that bottle babies get enough to eat.

    My favourite supplement (I don't count loose mineral mix to be a supplement because it is vital) is a weekly dose of Replamin Gel Plus. Here is a link. https://www.pbsanimalhealth.com/products/replamin-plus-vitamin-mineral-gel young kids should have a pea sized dose placed in the mouth with your finger, you don't want to risk them aspirating it. Give it to everyone every week.

    Do you worm according to a schedule, or according to FAMACHA, or according to what fecal exams tell you? And when you worm, what do you use, specifically? There is a vast difference in wormers, and "horse wormer" is unclear to me.
     
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  13. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Texas
    a good diet for goats can be dumor goat peleted formula or, what i feed, whole oats and barley and for a treat black oil sunflower seeds. But dont give too many black oil sunflower seeds it can coat your goats stomach, and they cant absorb nutrients
     
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  14. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

    Actually, and with respect, giving calcium is the best way to ensure urinary tract health. The culprit is almost always too much phosphorus in the calcium phosphorus ratio.
     
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  15. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Texas
    i think he means the horse paste dewormer. the stuff that comes in tubes
     
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  16. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

    I've been trying to explain this to a recent buyer. I can't get through...
     
  17. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Texas
    ohh! ok thanks. i just went of of my memory and that gets a little rusty sometimes lol!
     
  18. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

    Yes, but which kind???? What is the chemical, because there are many.
     
  19. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Texas
    i would just say that the oils on the BOSS coats their stomachs and nothing else can be absorbed, because it is forming a ''wall''
     
  20. mariarose

    mariarose Well-Known Member

    Not at all. That is older "wisdom" that is still very commonly believed. It isn't like you were recommending a course of leeches!
     
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