[Philip]

Temp 101.7, FAMACHA score great

Symptoms isolating from herd/won’t leave stall

Walking but like he’s uncomfortable almost in circles or backwards then sits down.

Screams when he urinates like it’s painful

Back butt area looks swollen…possible constipation? When I checked temp he pooped but seemed constipated?

Urinary caculi maybe? I’m a new goat owner not sure what’s wrong.

 

[Philip]

This is him when he pees

 

[toth boer goats]

Get a vet right away, sounds like urinary stones blocking him from peeing.

Give ammonium chloride.

How old is he?

 

[Philip]

Get a vet right away, sounds like urinary stones blocking him from peeing.

Give ammonium chloride.

How old is he?

He’s 18 weeks

 

[21goaties]

Take him to vet ASAP

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[Dogs_with_horns]

Oh that's severe. Get a vet super soon, that's like kidney stones to goats. Very painful

 

[Philip]

Does the swollen rear have to do with it?

 

[Dogs_with_horns]

hmmm.... yeah probably

 

[21goaties]

Does the swollen rear have to do with it?

Yeah that's probably from straining

 

[Lil Boogie]

Get him to a vet or you will loose him. Warm compressions will help, GENTLY massage him.

 

[Philip]

Look I’m just going to be straight up with you all. While a vet is optimal it’s not always possible for some people, so I’m unable to do that. Can I treat him with ammonium chloride?

 

[Boer Mama]

It might be past that point now.. but give him a large dose asap.
Try to catch him and sit him down, warm compress on his urethra and massage and try to extend him. You might be able to work some out…
You need to address his diet and any other boys you’re feeding to prevent future issues.

 

[NigerianNewbie]

Look I’m just going to be straight up with you all. While a vet is optimal it’s not always possible for some people, so I’m unable to do that. Can I treat him with ammonium chloride?

Information copied from Medicine Cabinet 2020
Urinary stones Prevention/Treatment~~~~~~~

If a goat cannot urinate, this is an emergency, seek a vet ASAP, before his bladder explodes and kills him.

Ammonium Chloride-
Contains 99.9% ammonium chloride.
Used to prevent and help treat urinary calculi in male goats.
Prevention: 1 lb. per 100 lbs. feed, or 1 tsp. per goat daily. Powder.

Treatment: 1 tablespoon Ammonium Chloride to 1 or 2 cups of water, drench goat with the entire contents, daily.
Provide fresh water at all times. Give until urinating full stream.

Treatment: Ammonium Chloride for UC:
Dosage 1 (one) teaspoon per 75 lb of AC powder added to 20cc of water and drench every 12 hours for 2 (two) days. Then the dosage is reduced to 1/2 teaspoon per 75 lb of AC powder added to 20 cc of water and drench every 12 hours for 3 (three) days. Then the dosage is reduced to 1/4 teaspoon per 75 lb of AC powder added to 20cc of water and drench daily as a preventative.

 

[NigerianNewbie]

Can I treat him with ammonium chloride?

You could certainly try, though be aware it's not effective against stones caused by excessive calcium or can't always adequately dissolve stones large enough to be blocking parts of the urinary tract system. If this is a complication from UC, it is an extremely painful and debilitating condition. Left untreated or unresolved, it can turn result in an excruciating death and a decision may need to be made to end his suffering.

 

[Philip]

You could certainly try, though be aware it's not effective against stones caused by excessive calcium or can't always adequately dissolve stones large enough to be blocking parts of the urinary tract system. If this is a complication from UC, it is an extremely painful and debilitating condition. Left untreated or unresolved, it can turn result in an excruciating death and a decision may need to be made to end his suffering.

If he’s urinating still is that any indication of hope?

 

[ksalvagno]

Yes

 

[NigerianNewbie]

If he’s urinating still is that any indication of hope?

The fact he is still urinating is a sign he doesn't have a total blockage yet, so yes there is hope.

I have a friend that had a wether with UC complications several years ago and while trying to get him to extent noticed the act of grasping his penis caused urine to leak out. In similar ways, she "milked" his penis until no more urine would expel and there's a high probability this is what dislodged the stone partially blocking his pizzle in this instance. The goat still had to have a procedure done to remove his pizzle at a later date because complications with UC reoccurred.

He’s 18 weeks

That's a mighty young age to have complications from the more commonly known dietary caused UC. It could be some type of developmental issue going on with his urinary tract system though I can't be 100% sure, as I've only known of 1 other goat that developed these types of complications at a young age. This young one was diagnosed by the vet as having physical issues as the cause for difficulty in urinating.

 

[GoofyGoat]

You might try snipping his pizzle…it’s not that hard to do and could help.
Heres how

http://www.bendingtreeranch.com/images/uc.pdf

 

[Jessica84]

Just me but I would also give him CD antitoxin. I’m not saying it’s not stones but I have been so convinced that all the symptoms pointed to one thing and I’ve missed something else entirely. I understand the situation of no vet so I now try to look at all possibilities and make sure each treatment isn’t going to mess with each other. With his butt being swollen that makes me suspicious of over eating disease. The bowels and intestines get so inflamed and could cause the rectum to become swollen. Just my two cents.
Also might come in handy if he does stop peeing, I have read about people cutting the pizzle off in a last ditch effort in the hopes that the stone is there. Obviously he’s peeing and doesn’t need that right now! But if it comes to it you can sit him down like a dog and pull the sheath back to expose the penis and cut the little worm looking thing (pizzle) at the end.

 

[Philip]

Just me but I would also give him CD antitoxin. I’m not saying it’s not stones but I have been so convinced that all the symptoms pointed to one thing and I’ve missed something else entirely. I understand the situation of no vet so I now try to look at all possibilities and make sure each treatment isn’t going to mess with each other. With his butt being swollen that makes me suspicious of over eating disease. The bowels and intestines get so inflamed and could cause the rectum to become swollen. Just my two cents.
Also might come in handy if he does stop peeing, I have read about people cutting the pizzle off in a last ditch effort in the hopes that the stone is there. Obviously he’s peeing and doesn’t need that right now! But if it comes to it you can sit him down like a dog and pull the sheath back to expose the penis and cut the little worm looking thing (pizzle) at the end.

He has had his CD&T you’re saying to maybe give him another dose?