Discussion in 'The Chatter Box' started by sweetgoats, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Well a person I know called and told me what was going on with their doe that was pregnant. OK, she will be kidding soon. Keep a VERY close eye on her. (she is a Pygmy Nigi mix and more the size of a big pygmy, and bred to a buck that is a Nigi Nubian mix and a pretty big boy). :shocked:

    Ok they called me yesterday as I was leaving for church. we have one leg out and that is all. they can see a nose. OK, feel down the leg until you can get the other leg, push the baby back and get that other foot out.

    Church ended and I called them. NOT good, this has been going on since 7:30 and it is now 11:30. I ran home grabbed my med kit and things and canceled my 4H meeting and headed to their place. (I new this was not going to be good but I had to try).

    I got out ran to them and saw this, the leg was OUT, I mean, like WOW, and the leg was HUGE. This leg was larger then my goats. Ok, i gloved up lubed up and in I went, (they said they could not get into her at all), I had no problem but I have done this before also.
    Ok, feeling around and praying to god to help and guide me to what I should do. I pushed the leg back in, felt a head, OK, figure out what to do. All as this is going on she is pushing to get my hand out as I did not blame her, but she was having contractions and she was crushing my hand. It hurt so bad I wanted to scream. I could not figure out what was what. Ok, I have a leg, and I gently pulled it out, and crap it is a different leg, but now I can not find the first one. I was feeling and OH LORD, the blood came gushing out. OH no, I kept trying and mom started to just put her head down and give up. I laid with her and told her to go ahead and go to be with her baby (ies). I cried like a baby begging her to go. I told them if IF I was able to get the baby out she was hemorrhaging.

    They took her to a area and had a hole dug and they had to shoot her. It was horrible. I have never had a situation like that, and I felt so bad that I was not able to help them. It killed me. Now they do not want anymore goats. :tears: :tears:
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    awe Lori I am so sorry :hug: :hug: what a horrible situation :(

  3. farmergal

    farmergal New Member

    Jun 19, 2009
    Northern California
    Oh gosh I am so sorry. I had a horrible kidding experience last night (but not quite that bad, everyone lived, it was just really really scary).

    :hug: to you and know that you did the best you could do and that mom and babies are now up in heaven. They probably shouldn't have bred her to a big buck. :tears:
  4. RunAround

    RunAround New Member

    Feb 17, 2008
  5. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Thanks, It is hard becasue my hand is still really swollen and bruised, so I remember I could not save her all the time because it hurts.

    Lynda, she was bred on accident. The worst thing is-------------------..

    They have two more pregnant. One is a VERY small pygmy. She has no hope of doing this. I told them as SOON as she goes into labor they have to take her to the vet to do a C-Section.

    Another bad thing is they called the best Vet around at 8:30 AM and he never called back until 1:30. He was like "sorry, our answering service phones were messed up, but how are things going?" the father said, "well, since I called you 5 hours ago, we just shot her about 10 minutes ago, so you know, now is not the best time to be talking to you AT ALL and hung up on him". I have to say I do not blame him, but this is the best vet around, and I know he was hurting then, but he will realize some things are just out of our control.

    This family is in my Fiber goat group, and they were going to get their new Cashmere baby this week, but now they do not want anymore babies goat goats. I told them I totally understand but the new babies will bring joy to them and it will me Mellow running with her.

    The other problem was they were going to put two of their horses down yesterday, but after that they could not do it, as I do not blame them.

    See these people love animals and will take in anything and everything. She has saved a lot of animals, and them for them to die she just is having a hard time. I told her she gave Mellow a wonderful year that she would not of had with the last home.
  6. OhCee

    OhCee Yak Lady

    Feb 26, 2010
    Western MT
    Oh no :( How traumatic for all involved!! So sad :( I'm so sorry for you and your friends!
  7. Chi Chi

    Chi Chi New Member

    Mar 7, 2010
  8. FunnyRiverFarm

    FunnyRiverFarm New Member

    Sep 13, 2008
    Hudson, MI
    Oh...I am so sorry you were not able to save them--you really did your best to help! :(

    Honestly...I would not have expected anything BUT a disaster in that situation...Those does should have been given lute the moment it was even suspected that such a breeding took place. :(

    I hope the people don't decide to give up on goats...there are always difficult experiences in the beggining and you just have to learn from them and move on...
  9. farmergal

    farmergal New Member

    Jun 19, 2009
    Northern California
    Oh gosh being an accidental breeding that is hard. I agree that getting a new baby goat would be healing... it will not make the sadness go away but it will remind them why they loved and took the doe in in the first place. I hope they can get through this, they sound like a wonderful family.

    I am so sorry for your loss, my heart goes out to you and the family. I :pray: that your hand will heal. And when it hurts try and think of it as a reminder not that you were unable to save her.... but that you tried in the first place... and that when she passed she was surrounded by people who cared about her and were fighting for her life to the very end!! You have to remember that even despite the tragedy she was a very lucky goat, because she was loved, and everything that is loved has a place up there and will be waiting for us when it's our turn to go. She's up there now with her kids and the Lord, I really do believe that!

    I'm crying as I write this, I feel so awful for you and the family :tears: :hug:
  10. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Oh Lori, how horrible :hug:

    I am so sorry that you have to deal with this, my heart aches for that little doe that suffered so much :sigh:

    Are the ones that are pregnant due soon? If they are a month away, there is chance to save them now by aborting...though it is traumatic, it would be in the best interest of the doe's to deliver under developed and not so big fetus'.
  11. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    That is so horrible....I am very sorry.... :( :hug:
  12. dobe627

    dobe627 Senior Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    southeast PA
    Oh Lori, I am so sorry this happend to you, them and the poor goat. But as mentioned she's with her baby(ies) now. Gosh how that has to hurt you and them. I don't get on and post as much as I used to( so sick of dial up) but when I saw this I just had to send a hug your way. Just had twins yesterday and makes me want to run out and hug them again. This brought tears to my eyes just thinking how you all must feel. :hug:
  13. farmgirl1

    farmgirl1 New Member

    Mar 14, 2010
    Monroeville, NJ
    I am serious, as I was reading I was crying... That is sooo sad but remember that you tried. And now she is with her baby(ies)
  14. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Thank you all,

    As for the Lute and the does. OH I would of had them do that if they would of know. They called me about three weeks ago and said OH NO, I thinks she si pregnant.

    The sad thing is, they had her is with the buck and they said to me just like in the fall "He has never bred anyone before, I do not think he can! REALLY, he was only a year old like now.

    I checked all the other does, (which are all pretty malnourished) and only two others are pregnant. The one that I am really worried about is just starting to get a little bitty bag.

    Liz, what would you give to abort the babies? I know about the Lute, but can that be given to them this far along? I would say she is about 1-1/2-2 months away.
  15. RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    NW Ohio
    I am so sorry Lori! I know that must be absolutely heartbreaking for you and the family! May God be with you and them. I know you tried very hard! :tears: :hug: :hug: :hug: Very sad story... :tears: :tears:
  16. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Lori -

    I am so sorry for you and for the owners. You definately tried your best.

    I just went through the same thing on Thursday. Thankfully I was able to FINALLY get the baby out after a long time (Liz was on the phone with me) and I am with you - I still have a slightly swollen hand and it is bruised. Constant reminder of what happened - with 6 more lined up to kid like, Now! I am petrified.

    Hugs to all of you!
  17. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Lori...I don't know if the Lute would work at this point, a vet may need to be involved to use the oxytocin to bring on labor. I know Ashley induced her doe "early" to because of toxemia and I'm pretty sure oxytocin was used for that.

    I found this article that details the use of Lute for induction.
  18. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Liz, I have oxytocin. That is a idea.
  19. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    I am SO sorry you had to deal with that. What an awful situation for everyone. It had to be terribly scary and frustrating and heart-wrenching.
  20. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    this is true. sorry you had to deal with this, but I'm sure the family is grateful for you trying to help. :sigh: