How are you guys handling the Coronavirus chaos?

Discussion in 'The Chatter Box' started by HoosierShadow, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. Damfino

    Damfino Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    Thanks for the condolences everyone. My dad was an awesome guy. He loved life and lived every minute to the fullest. Whenever anybody asked him how he was doing he'd say he was "deliriously happy". And that's actually how he was. :)

    In 2010 the doctors gave him 2-5 years to live and he made it 10 years. We're so grateful for all those extra years and we made the most of them. I'm especially glad now that no one paid any attention to "quarantine" regulations and we spent these last few months still getting together quite regularly. He saw all of his kids and grandkids a lot. When you're dealing with terminal cancer, coronavirus seems pretty feeble by comparison. I feel bad for all those folks out there who stopped seeing friends and family and then died anyway--alone and with no love or happy times to ease their passing.
  2. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    I'm so very sorry you lost your dad damfino, it sounds like he was an exceptional person. It's great y'all got to be together till the end.
    Enjoy your goat vacation :)
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  3. Lindan

    Lindan Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2018
    I'm not dealing well.
    I think covid fatigue is hitting alot of people hard...
    The longer something sticks around, the harder it gets to take it seriously, people get numbed to it and as long as its not affecting them DIRECTLY, the less they belive that its a threat.

    I have asthma, I have a cousin who was in hospital on a ventilator this spring, even though she is young and healthy, and barely made it out alive, I have been told of the fight to get even one breath in, still feeling like she was never going to get enough air...
    I hear all the time of people fighting to keep going after the get better, fighting the long term effects of having this illness... And I remember vividly; having bad astma attacks...

    There's a big difference between cloth masks and medical grade masks, the medical masks are literally 3 times more effective, and you use them one day, and throw them away... They cost the equivalent of 75cents a piece here.

    Fear is a great motivation to minimize things internally and the refuse to acknowledge that something can be a threat to you personally... That would be admitting that you might die...

    I am afraid, I am terrified, and I wear a mask everytime I leave the house, I sanitizer my hands and surfaces that are in contact with the outside world.

    I am not going to minimise something that has killed close to a million people worldwide in less than a year, and everytime I start to let myself get pulled into that thinking, I look at the numbers from the different health ministries and the WHO, and I remember all those human beings who have lost their lives, and I refuse to let myself be selfish enough to say "it's not that bad", and I refuse to let a minor inconvenience like putting on a mask stop me from doing my part.

    If people reacted this way back when washing your hands before surgery, was a new thing, in the 17/18 hundreds I wonder how many would have kept dying for small inconsequential procedures.
  4. senoradirt

    senoradirt Active Member

    Sep 28, 2019
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  5. senoradirt

    senoradirt Active Member

    Sep 28, 2019
    I wish you weren't so afraid. That's no way to live. However, as a human race, we have had to deal with viruses throughout our existence and the fact that we can get sick is part of being alive. And a person with a health problem doesn't mean we need to sentence the huge majority of us to a life that keeps us locked up, away from gatherings and church, and denies us fresh air (especially when wearing masks don't work and as you said, cloth masks especially do not work). The truth is, there is a huge probability that almost nobody will die from the Covid virus alone. Most of us don't even develop symptoms. upload_2020-9-27_7-19-23.png
    Keeping the virus out of a mask is like keeping a mosquito out through a chain link fence.

    I don't believe this will make any difference to those who believe in Corona porn. People will believe what they believe. But don't make it harder for the rest of us who can think for ourselves.
  6. Damfino

    Damfino Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    Ok, I'm SO tired of hearing people say this! NO ONE should feel guilty because someone caught an illness from them unless they gave it to that person on purpose. If you intentionally become infected and then cough in someone's face then sure, you're a bad person. But unintentionally (and perhaps even unknowingly) getting sick and spreading it naturally to someone else is not akin to murder. I would NEVER accuse some parent of killing their child if that parent caught the flu at work and spread it to their family and one of their children died. Because guess what... if you're under 40 years old you are statistically at greater risk of dying from the regular old boring flu than from Covid. Therefore we are putting kids at greater risk when we send them to school during flu season than we are of sending them to school during this Covid outbreak. Yet no one heaps guilt on people for not masking their children and forcing social distancing during flu season. We don't test kids for flu every time they enter or leave school. Why not?? Because we accept that life has certain very minimal risks. The greatest cause of accidental death in children is car accidents which means that transporting kids to and from school could actually kill them. Kids at school can also be shot, knifed, and bullied into suicide while there. But do we as a society heap guilt on parents for sending their kids to a place where these bad things, however rare, could still potentially happen to them? NO!

    I'm tired of hearing "stay safe." We're not safe. From the moment we're born into this world we're at risk of dying somewhere along the way. I ride horses and that's a very risky activity. I teach riding lessons which means I'm putting other people's children at risk every time I put them on a horse. But does that make me a bad person? I certainly hope not! We weigh risks vs. benefits and we make decisions accordingly.

    Hannibal Smith of the A-Team once said, "A life without danger is like a house of ill repute without the naked ladies."

    It's one of my favorite quotes.

    At this point we've seen the risks of Covid-19 and we've discovered that it's not nearly as dangerous as it was projected to be when it first arrived on the scene. This is FANTASTIC news and we should be loosening our behavior accordingly, not doubling down on restrictions based on fears that turned out to be thankfully unfounded. If the death toll were as high as initially believed then there would be no need for quarantines, mask mandates, or social distancing orders. People would hunker down on their own without being told because fear would guide their behavior far better than government ever could. Testing wouldn't be needed because the effects of the disease would be obvious to everyone. No one needed tests to know that the Spanish flu epidemic was really bad and that it tended to target young people. The fact that we generally can't even tell if Covid is hitting our communities without testing for it tells me it's not nearly as serious as we keep being told (unless you are already so old and infirm that you are in a nursing home). For many people, the fear of coronavirus is far worse than the disease itself. In fact, some rural areas are now reporting 2-5 times as many suicides than normal due to fear and severe economic hardship brought on by this country's pandemic response. One of our counties here in Colorado has had only one Covid death this year and nine suicides. The latest one left a note that specifically named coronavirus stress, and it's strongly suspected in influencing many of the other eight suicides. I'm convinced that this year's riots, protests, arsons, and unusually high murder rates are a direct result of pandemic stress. Folks, if the stress caused by our collective response to a disease is worse than the disease itself, it's time to examine our methods.
  7. senoradirt

    senoradirt Active Member

    Sep 28, 2019
  8. Tanya

    Tanya Well-Known Member

    I agree with Damfino. I have been sick twice now with Covid. My husband died and I survived. My children have both been exposed and neither have been ill.
    My dad, who killed himself last year used to say,
    "There are three things guarenteed. 1. You are born. 2. You pay taxes. 3. You die".
    How you live is important. Living in fear will kill you eventually.
  9. senoradirt

    senoradirt Active Member

    Sep 28, 2019
    Well said Damfino
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  10. happybleats

    happybleats Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Gustine Texas
    I'm with Damfino..well put. The existence of the covid had done more harm than the virus itself.
    Such a sad time we live in..

    @Damfino i think I would have enjoyed visiting with your dad!! What an amazing person he must have been.
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  11. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Death rates are not lower because we know how to treat it now. Death rates have always been low, the numbers were just well buried on the CDC website and tailored at the beginning (which the CDC even admitted to, as a “mistake.”)

    So sorry to hear about your classes. Learning is different for everyone. Unfortunately, public and most other school systems do not allow for that. I know many friends who are switching their children to homeschool during this time. Don’t be afraid to go down the education path that YOU need! Hugs!!
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  12. Iluvlilly!

    Iluvlilly! Well-Known Member

    Apr 6, 2019
    I feel bad for all the kids that have to go to school or do it virtual.(grouphug)
    I am homeschooled so this virus doesn't effect me at all (in that way at least):) I do it all (except for Spanish) in text books and write it all out, I think i learn better that way!
    This Covid thing is getting to be interesting, you hear so much stuff from the news and all that, all's I want is the truth but no no the news has to scare everybody and all that.
    Just my little rant!
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  13. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Well I don't know about your part of the world..but my part is putting masks on 5 yes old & up. Our covid numbers are increasing daily. Teachers are wearing masks and are afraid to go to work. I've always worked with the public..and it always amazes me how easy it is to believe in rumors. No hard facts..nonmedical training ..just make it up. Right..isn't that called mob mentality?
    Wearing a mask is as simple as covering your face when you sneeze or cough. Let's face it..most of you.dont work..and your complaining about having consideration to another person...for possibly an hour? not wearing a mask in public..your saying it's ok to sneeze in my.face, cough in my face,wipe your hands on me..because this virus doesn't exist..because I say so..or a kid show person said something?
    Sorry I disagree.
    If Im going to quarantine my new goats from my main herd..or distance a sick goat from my main herd. I'm going to wear a mask. If I'm going to watch my individual goat for signs of illness so I can treat for the change. I'm going to wear a mask, use social distance and wash my hands. EVEN GOATS DISTANCE themselves from the herd...if they are sick. Geeeez...take some info from your herd.
    So regardless of your mental opinion..stay safe. If you.dont care about yourself...maybe wear protection for the people who are at risk. They appreciate it.
  14. Nigerian dwarf goat

    Nigerian dwarf goat Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Well i guess thats just how i think. I would blame myself for bringing it home wether it was really my fault or not.
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  15. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    We sadly have different opinions.

    Please everyone, don't let this get out of control, with discussing this subject.
    We need to be civil and not mean or angry.
    I see why, we may disagree, it is very stressful, all the way around, no matter how you look at it.

    If we can keep this friendly, I will keep this thread open.
    So do not type something which will start conflict.

    I see people so scared, they are wearing a mask in their vehicles, when they are alone. Or walking down the street. A bit over kill perhaps?

    Under normal situations, with social distancing, we are not up in your face, coughing, sneezing etc, trying to get you sick.
    The weird thing is, I have seen on facebook a person yelling at another person, who is not wearing a mask, but who was indeed social distancing, the instigator, then works their way over to this person in anger, getting up in that persons face, who is not wearing a mask, get out of control and the mask, which the instigator was wearing, drops down, which now, exposed themselves, if indeed that person they approached has it.
    Makes no sense.
  16. luvmyherd

    luvmyherd Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2011
    Thanks for that tgb. I would hate to see this thread lost as I have gotten more truth from it than just about anywhere else. Something I learned decades ago; *take what you like and leave the rest*.

    In spades and double!! I hate entertainment *news* whether it is dealing with Covid or taxes or the dangers of thinking for yourself or the refusal to say how many people arrived home safely today. That and almost ALL advertising!
    I have really been missing my goats as this staying home drags on. We do plan to make it to Seattle to see the grandkids but we will follow recommended protocols for us and them. We had planned to go sooner but smoke and family problems interfered.
  17. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    I guess I am in the middle of the whole extreme scale way of thinking on this one. I’m not going to scream at people for not wearing a mask lol forcing people to wear a mask is very much against our rights and I totally detest that probably the most but I do wear one when I go out in public and I keep my distance. When masks started becoming mandatory a lot of people I guess seem to only be able to focus on one thing at a time and the distance thing seems to be forgotten and that drives me nuts.
    Now this is my own view and I am not trying to change anyone’s way of viewing AT ALL! I really dont think it is as bad as they say it is BUT I sure am not going to risk myself or my family to find out if I am right or not because I do think there is a lot of unknowns. Yes I see that example of driving down the road and getting in a accident used a lot and there is a lot of truth to it but I also do things to try and prevent that accident. I don’t speed, pass on a double yellow, tailgate, and so on. And I don’t because I absolutely would feel terrible if I was behind the wheel and killed one of my family members and it would be 10X worse if I could have prevented it. My parents are very much the perfect people for this to kill by what they are claiming. So I would much rather not be the cause of them croaking.
    Another thing that a lot of people don’t think about and I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it is something that will happen, is being under quarantine. I and my family can NOT be placed on quarantine right now! The sheriffs are not going to go to the feed store for me when they force me not to leave my property (again going against our rights), there will be no feeding my animals, no checking on our cattle at rentals, no gathering cows out of this fire or getting vet supplies for them and we are on a time line to get them out before they are burned worse or the snow falls or whatever is still alive will for sure be dead. Also no work for my husband and if he tests positive no work for his coworkers. If my kids test positive and go to the hospital I also can not go see them, they will try to stop me, I’ll go postal, end up in jail and well I’ll just grumble and just keep my mask on, keep my distance from others avoid shopping at the town that the daily numbers are high and go to the town that I hate going to and get my groceries.
  18. MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm

    MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2019

    Maybe @jschies should have added all our liquor stores have been open and NEVER closed.....they were considered essential. Bars were closed because they are purposely trying and succeeding to hurt our economy.
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2020
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  19. MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm

    MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2019
    I'm sorry.....your husband died of COVID?
  20. Damfino

    Damfino Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    I guess what I can't stand about the mask-wearing is that it alienates people from one another. We can't communicate properly or smile at each other and despite what I keep being told, I don't actually believe it's making anyone safer. I especially think it's nonsense for those of us who already had Covid, which is MANY, MANY people at this point. So when do we get to stop wearing masks? Never?? Because right now they don't let you stop wearing a mask if you had Covid and recovered, so there's no reason for them to let you stop wearing one if you are vaccinated either. Because those two things are EXACTLY THE SAME THING!! If getting sick and recovering can't protect us, then neither can a vaccine. How can people possibly not understand this very simple concept??

    I think masks make most people LESS safe because no one seems capable of wearing them properly (including myself). They also force people to lean in closer and raise their voices in order to communicate. I've never stood so close to others in order to have a conversation as I have since the mask mandate came into play. They also give people a false sense of security so they can feel like it's not necessary to stay home when sick. After all, they're protecting everyone by wearing a mask!

    And then there's the problem with which type of mask. A bunch of folks are still wearing the kind with the vents on them which apparently are a big no-no. And now there's been a study that found that neck gaiters, which are probably the most common type of mask worn in my area, actually spread particles further and in smaller aerosols than regular breathing, making gaiter-wearers more likely to spread germs than those who wear no mask at all. Oops. Stuff like this makes the "wear a mask to save others" argument seem pretty hollow to me. If it makes some people feel better to wear a mask because they truly believe it will save others, great. But personally I think everyone's masks are gross, problematic, and making all of us less safe so it doesn't hurt my conscience to not wear one. I'm grossed out by my own filthy mask but after I forgot it at home a couple of times and had to borrow other people's in order to get into the grocery store I decided that wearing someone else's mask is still grosser than wearing my own no matter how dirty mine is compared to theirs. I'm not too worried about getting Covid again, but I really don't want mono! So my mask now lives in the console of my truck and doesn't get to leave except when it's on my face.

    Finally, the best scenario is for case numbers to increase while death rates drop. Since we are currently on that trajectory (and have been all summer) I think we're on a good path. So why are masks so all-important now when the danger is tapering off, but they weren't necessary last spring when the danger was at its peak? And why is it that the states with the strictest mandates are faring no better (and often faring worse!) than states without all the mandates? If mask-wearing and social distancing were so effective, then California should be doing fantastically (and New York should have done really well too) but we all know how that turned out. It's not that I'm selfish when I say I hate mask mandates. If I truly believed it would help others then I'd be happy to do it. However, I remain completely unconvinced that it's remotely effective in its application to the general public. It's a placebo and I hate being forced to contribute to something I fully believe is nothing more than a stressful, fear-inducing theater production.