How are you guys handling the Coronavirus chaos?

Discussion in 'The Chatter Box' started by HoosierShadow, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. senoradirt

    senoradirt Active Member

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    Sep 28, 2019
    Texas
    I'm just rather appalled that we've tried to "stop the spread" all summer and now into fall when we should have actually been encouraging a bit MORE spread so that we would have fewer infections this winter when people will be forced indoors where there is higher viral load.

    Above a quote from Damfino. I'm not good at this replying yet.

    Yes, herd immunity. The age-old system for defeating illnesses -sometimes called "umbrella immunity" (if you listen to FAuci, and please don't listen to Fauci). Used by Sweden who never shut down anything in their country for Covid. Schools never shut down. Businesses, restaurants, open. And it's the country where the Covid pandemic is virtually over, but nobody knows this thanks to the media. They're GOOD.

    With herd immunity, the virus gets passed on, constantly being degraded as it goes (Covid becomes less & less dangerous, because viruses are programmed to "live" and therefore if it kills the patient it won't survive) and it's transferred to people who have the strongest immunity (those with weakest immune systems are always hit first). Virus dies out.

    But here in this country politicians are up for prolonging this crisis as long as possible.

    Or at least till after the election.
     
  2. MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm

    MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm Well-Known Member

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    Oct 24, 2019
    Texas
    AMEN AND AMEN AND AMEN! This has been a political ploy from the start. Not the virus but the fear mongering. I wish folks would just stop and think. I got off Facebook a year ago due to the utter stupidity and never looked back. Of course, I have a business page there but it is strictly business promotion. Fauci is an idiot and between him and the CDC no one has any real info. My question from the very beginning has been why are we not finding thousands of dead homeless folks, if this virus is that deadly?!?!? They are the most at risk from lack of medical care and lack of ability to sanitize and clean. If this had been the black plague, where people were actually dying in the street..... well, that woukd have been one thing but the numbers for COVID were and still are NOT anything to panic over. Certainly not closing our economy down. We have had so many small businesses close over COVID. Please know this, also, our household has a kidney transplant patient (our 38 yr old son) and a 62 yr old (my husband) in it. Our son has been extremely careful, as have all of us, when going out. But to blame non mask wearers, (ME), or say masks are a solution just doesn't make sense. If yiu believe in them, wear them. If you have a comprised immune system, STAY HOME. The risk with an already compromised immune system is too great. Call neighbors, friends and family to help run errands. I am happy to do those things for our older, less healthy family and friends.
     

  3. MidnightRavenFarm

    MidnightRavenFarm Well-Known Member

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    Jun 4, 2020
    Butler TN
    I am waiting for my daughter to see a specialist to see if she has lupus. She has a lot of the symptoms and Initial labs kind of point in that direction. So I have decided to keep her home this semester just in case her immune system is compromised. We only leave the house to get groceries and feed and always wear mask and sanitize our hands after we go into every store. But I’m so paranoid it’s not enough.
     
  4. Goats Rock

    Goats Rock Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    NE Ohio
    I got scolded (blush) at the grocery store the other day. I only go at 9:30 on Sun. eves. (they close at 10). I get my stuff and get out. I dutifully wear a stupid mask. I'm the only one in the store. Some moronic incorrectly mask wearing pubescent employee had the audacity to tell me I was going the wrong way down an aisle.:ahh: I was literally the only shopper in the entire store!

    Now this clown was wearing his filthy (used to be white, now grey, looked like dirty underpants) mask below his nose. I just looked at him, said sorry. I was shopping, never looked down to see the one way only signs decalled to the floor. Sheesh. I generally only look for whatever item I need, if its not eye level, I don't see it! :p:D

    I hate this stupid covid nonsense. :mad:
     
  5. cristina-sorina

    cristina-sorina Well-Known Member

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    May 4, 2018
    Northeast Ohio
    THIS is SO annoying! I understand your frustration. Im sure COVID got the message that if you follow the little arrows on the store floor you are safe and it shouldn't infect you? (I'm being sarcastic).

    It kills me at our grocercy store how they changed the main entrance to one entrance and one exit...how does this make sense?? How does directing the flow of people stop viral spread? What study has proven this even works?
     
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  6. luvmyherd

    luvmyherd Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2011
    NorCal
    Oh boy! The media. We saw a teaser for the news last night that hinted that more panic buying has already started. I turned to my husband and said, "One stupid teaser like that is all they need to set off another TP and canned food run." He was like, "I had the same thought exactly."
    We need truth and facts; not entertainment!!
    As far as taking a stand goes; I really can't because I cannot find enough facts. And I don't want to spend hours researching. I just want to be told the truth. Or, if the truth is not really out there because they do not know enough yet; admit it.
    I have argued that people get sick and die. I get reamed out for that. Somehow/somewhere we have decided that we can beat (or improve) nature. History shows us that we can't. That being said I am not anti-science and medicine. I just feel we have to have a realistic balance.
     
  7. MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm

    MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm Well-Known Member

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    Oct 24, 2019
    Texas
    I have been very fortunate because only one person has said anything to me and it was in Sam's Club and he said, "Nice mask". I wasn't wearing one. I stopped and looked him straight in the eyes and said, "It is not my job to make you feel good. Go talk to your wife about that." He didn't respond, which was good for both us. If anyone asks me nicely to wear a mask, I usually just respond with, "You know, I don't need to spend my money here after all." We both get our way. I leave and spend my dollars elsewhere and they don't have to deal with me.
     
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  8. Damfino

    Damfino Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2013
    Right behind you
    I'd have said, "Thanks! I work really hard at the 'au naturale' look. I'm so happy you noticed!"

    I'm currently vacationing in Utah and have hardly seen a mask all week except on a few Asian tourists, and the restaurants here are operating at full capacity. It's nice to feel like I'm living on a normal planet again, and it's really nice to be in a place where small businesses aren't being crippled by half-capacity mandates. They operate on such a narrow margin as it is that they can't afford these prolonged restrictions. It's like all these rules are made only for big box stores and nationwide chains that have huge bottom lines.

    I'm not particularly looking forward to being back in Colorado right now, which is an unprecedented feeling for me. Normally I love being home as much as I love traveling, and I love Colorado more than any state we ever visit. But at the moment I find my home state a little depressing. :(
     
  9. NDinKY

    NDinKY Well-Known Member

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    Aug 3, 2019
    Kentucky
    I know some people don’t believe masks are effective but if you look at the numbers (cases per 100,000; Ro) comparing areas which mandated masks earlier on vs those that didn’t (Florida) it is telling. Florida had a defined peak with many people getting sick at once. Ohio has not had that, rather the curve has flattened. Are people in Ohio still getting sick? Yes, they are. But the difference is each person sick is only getting one other person sick on average (Ro has been ~1 for the past several months). This will take longer but with proper precautions most businesses can stay open and people can do most normal things wearing a mask and trying to keep distance. The states that didn’t mandate masks until later saw Ro much higher, demonstrating exponential spread. To visualize this data there is a website called worldometers.com that lets you graph everything. For some states it even breaks it down by county.

    I see our local numbers daily, and we get reports daily on actual numbers admitted to our hospital. There is a local organization that tracks the 14 county rates, hospital admissions, ICU admissions, and bed availability. Now when the university opened, the students were packing bars and lots of parties. Covid is ripping through them like crazy, which might be overall a benefit. Instead of sending them home to infect their parents, grandparents, etc, they’re quarantining on campus. Hopefully those 18-24 yr olds will gain immunity with minimal overall risk.

    Bars vs liquor stores are very different. Liquor store are considered essential because alcoholics can literally die from withdrawal (it’s one of the few substances that will try to kill you if you stop suddenly; opiates won’t kill you but you’ll feel like you’re dying). So we cannot suddenly cut alcoholics off, but they can drink at home, away from others. Bars and nightclubs are not essential to keep someone from dying. There is no way to socially distance in either of those settings, and chances are you’re not able to wear a mask as you’re drinking the whole time. I do feel bad for those business owners, but there is no way those places can minimize spread.

    I don’t live in fear over this virus. I wear my mask, and my face shield when interacting with patients. In my office area there is no way to socially distance. I work closely with people who examine positive patients regularly. To my knowledge, I haven’t gotten it. My kids have been in daycare/kindergarten full time since they opened back up. There haven’t been any cases. I think this success is due to masks. At work, most people have surgical masks, so that may be why masks seem to be quite effective, even with a whole team crammed in an elevator.

    We do avoid eating out, but will get carry out to support our local restaurants. You couldn’t pay me to go hang out in a bar though. No problems grocery shopping, or doing other normal things, but we don’t bring our kids to the store since this began. I’m more concerned about my parents getting this than me, but they’re taking precautions. We will all get this virus eventually. I’d just much rather get it later when we better know how to treat it (which we are already doing so much better treating compared to the beginning) and after being vaccinated (once we have appropriately studied ones, which is another whole can of worms).

    And Damfino and Tanya, I’m very sorry for your losses.
     
  10. MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm

    MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm Well-Known Member

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    Oct 24, 2019
    Texas
    Haha! You couldn't pay me to hang out in a bar BEFORE the virus!
    I grew up with 2 alcoholic parents and 3 of us 5 of their children were drunks. I understand alcoholism FAR TOO well and I chose to drink in moderation and not let it control me. But that is a conversation for another day......nothing about alcohol is essential.
     
  11. Tanya

    Tanya Well-Known Member

    Exactly my point. My husband was a heavy drinker. Before lockdown I would watch him get intoxicated to the point of embarresment and beyond. Both my girls grew up with that. My brother and uncle are both alcoholics snd it is aweful. I am proud to say that drinking coffee and fruit juice is as far as I go. Its a very ugly thing that leads to very ugly endings.
     
  12. MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm

    MuldrowBeeandGoatFarm Well-Known Member

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    Oct 24, 2019
    Texas
    That is so hard. I am sorry about your daughter. I will pray for you guys. I hate that situation, of not feeling effective. My daughter has been a major clean freak all her life. When this all began, we were visiting thwm in SC and we went into Kroger. I wasn't wearing gloves and she grabbed my hands and used wipes on them. She said, "I can tell you have never been a germaphobe. Thank God you have me!"
     
  13. MidnightRavenFarm

    MidnightRavenFarm Well-Known Member

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    Jun 4, 2020
    Butler TN
    Thank you. :) initially they were considering leukemia but it wasn’t that thank you god. I feel like we can handle anything that comes our way besides the big C word
     
  14. Tanya

    Tanya Well-Known Member

    I really pray that it isnt anything serious at all
     
  15. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Oklahoma
    Prayers sent to you @MidnightRavenFarm and your daughter. Once the lab results are back..please let us know how you both are doing. Some type of name on the situation makes it easier to work with. Take care.
     
  16. MidnightRavenFarm

    MidnightRavenFarm Well-Known Member

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    Jun 4, 2020
    Butler TN
    Thank you so much
     
  17. luvmyherd

    luvmyherd Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2011
    NorCal
    Well, I just came back from San Francisco. They were, I think, the first here to lock down. Virtually everyone we saw was wearing a mask. The hotel we stayed at took extra time cleaning the rooms and all wore masks and gloves.
    I am not making a statement; just my observation.
    San Francisco county has about 1/2 the total cases as my county where mask wearing and other precautions have gotten more and more lackluster. (?)
    In spite of the smoke it was a great getaway. It was wonderful to see the ocean after nearly a year.
     
  18. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Prayers sent.

    It is scary hearing President Trump and first Lady have corona now, prayers for them too.
     
  19. luvmyherd

    luvmyherd Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2011
    NorCal
    No time for politics. This virus surely does not discriminate. As Tanya said when she was sick, "I would not wish this on my worst enemy." May the doctors do everything they can.