How do you handle stray dogs?

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by TheMixedBag, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. TheMixedBag

    TheMixedBag The Hoofcare and Repro specialist

    Oct 16, 2010
    Glencoe, OK
    Any tricks on keeping them out, aside from changing fencing (which is impossible to do in our situation)? There's 2-3 stray dogs, one of which has killed a goat of ours before, and tried to kill a heifer before the bull got him.

    We did speak to the neighbor who owned them, she said she has been trying for months to catch them after her idiot (excuse that, her words) husband decided they'd do better running loose. She told us flat out to shoot them if we could, but she'd try to catch them so we could drop them off at the pound.

    Unfortunately, until they can be caught or shot, they still like to take the occasional run through our goat pen while crossing between fields, and I've had about enough.

    No room for a LGD, we live on less than an acre in the middle of town. We do have a nice 30-06, but I'm hesitant to use it in any direction but the back, and by the time I get out to take a shot, they're already in the front yard hauling butt back "home". Basically I'm looking for good deterrants. (I wish I still had my first Saanen doe-she'd kill dogs the second she saw one, or anything else she didn't like).
     
  2. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Do they seem dangerous? When I lived with my dad years ago we always had problems with stray dogs - people loved to drop them off out where we lived.... Some were dangerous and had to be shot, but many others were just scared strays. When they go 'home' are they being fed? Do you know? If they are and not having to hunt for food... but some dogs are just mean anyway!

    I really don't know what you could do, but I know others will have suggestions. We had the riffle by the door, and a pellet gun - don't know much about pellet guns, but this thing had some POWER to it! For the dogs that didn't seem 'threatning' we'd pop them in the butt and send them yelping away!
     

  3. Springbett Farm

    Springbett Farm Senior Member

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    Jan 5, 2011
    Nebraska
    Have you called the sheriff? Or Game and Parks? A 12 gauge might be better for short range than the 30-06. Get a mini donkey; they are known to attack stray dogs and coyotes. If they get too close, maybe pepper spray them.
    Generally, stray dogs kill just to kill whereas coyotes and foxes kill to eat and if they already killed one goat they'll be back for more. I'd give your neighbor the dead goat and bill him for it- worth what $200? Maybe he'll think twice about letting his dogs roam.
     
  4. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    So you can't shoot them? I would get a bag of dog food. Set it out in an open area, wait for the dogs to run by and when they start eating, open up. Your livestock is in danger and you have a right to protect it.

    Stray dogs may not be dangerous at first, but they can become dangerous and can carry diseases along with them. If they aren't able to be caught then you really have no choice than to shoot them or get a trap and try to trap them.
     
  5. Devin

    Devin New Member

    Feb 6, 2011
    It really depends on the dog in my opinion. However, these dogs aren't strays in definition, they are your neighbors dogs. A person in responsible for what their pet is allowed to destroy. Call the police, make reports about them, call animal control see if they will try to catch them. I liked the idea of presenting your neighbor with a bill for the dead goat.

    If you are scared to actually shoot them on your small property just make a lot of noise. the sound of gun fire is the scarey part. If you want to reach out and touch the dog without killing it, or being in danger of shooting in the wrong direction then get a paintball gun or pellet gun.

    also, maybe try getting a non-dog guardian. Llama, or donkey? (watch out if you own other dogs though!) Actually, do you own a pet dog? Most dogs will bark at other dogs and most dogs will avoid a yard that another dog is barking in. Our 30 pound beagle/shelti collie X is a loud mouth when it comes to intruders and strangers and anything she knows is not normally there. Usually when she is barking her head off in the middle of the night and it won't stop my hubby will go out and shoot the shot gun in a safe direction and send whatever is bothering her on its way. We live in a very rural area where dogs, coyotes and bobcats are a threat.
     
  6. OhCee

    OhCee Yak Lady

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    Feb 26, 2010
    Western MT
    You probably want to live trap/poison, not open fire. If you are in town, what are the laws regarding firearms being fired inside the town? You don't want to go to jail for some dogs.

    In other news, you don't need a large round to kill a dog. A .22 did the trick for us. It's all about shot placement and NOT endangering near-by humans or other animals. Check out theboxoftruth.com to see how many walls a bullet of a given caliber can go through before you fire off in town. I'll bet you'd be surprised.

    Good luck, but don't jeopardize your future here. Gotta be smarter than the dogs.
     
  7. Devin

    Devin New Member

    Feb 6, 2011
    yup, I missed that middle of town part! Fireing any weapon is illegal in a town. Forget the gun.
     
  8. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    ^Missed that too. I'd definately try a live strap then if the dogs keep coming back.
     
  9. jodief100

    jodief100 New Member

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    Jan 15, 2011
    They are not strays, they have an owner who is responsible for them. Inform them they can be held legally liable for anything the dogs hurt and if that is someone's child they could be charged criminally. Then call animal control. They also have a duty to take care of it. That is one of the few nice things about living "in town".

    As far as shooting them in city limits, not a good idea. I have a license for using a firearm for nuisance animals in city limits but it was very difficult to obtain. I had to go through a background check and prove proficiency with the weapon. The proficiency test was challenging to say the least.
     
  10. SandStoneStable Farm

    SandStoneStable Farm New Member

    617
    Dec 7, 2010
    Maryland
    A couple lines of electric is suprisingly cheap, look on amazon.com
    I just re-ran a quarter acre (outside the existing fence) with 3 lines because of a neighbors dog. He hets zapped before he gets to the fence. Zareba SS poly line @ $20 for 660', I had the energizer but think I paid @ $50 for a mile.
    Anyway, I know it's money you don't want to burn, but beats jail for shooting them :) and dead goats!!!
     
  11. Realfoodmama

    Realfoodmama New Member

    425
    Apr 12, 2010
    Santa Fe, NM
    Call animal control and provide a description of the dog(s). Here in Santa Fe we have a stray problem and animal control actually does patrols. Stray dogs are a serious concern of mine, as well, given that we are in the city limits and I don't own a gun or have a dog of my own.

    I would be worried about poison especially if you have a curious goat/cat/chicken/child that might have access to the food.
     
  12. TheMixedBag

    TheMixedBag The Hoofcare and Repro specialist

    Oct 16, 2010
    Glencoe, OK
    With the gun part, I have full permission to open fire in town, direct from the town sheriff. It has a lot to do with the fact that I have zoned agricultural pasture on 3 sides of my property, but a bit to do with the fact that he knows me well and that we don't have any type of animal control available. Nobody's willing to come out to our town. I can also fire off a high-powered rifle behind us, and it would never make it to another house (this is a pretty small town-I think the population was around 600)

    We have spoken with the neighbor, and only the black/white dog was ever theirs, and I know who sometimes claims the red dog. We have confronted them about it, right after we got Maverick, and as far as they're concerned, they're strays their kids play with, and I can't get much more than that.

    I may try to get some live traps, but in the meantime, what's a good poison to use that won't have any negative effects on the local area?
     
  13. ()relics

    ()relics New Member

    258
    Dec 25, 2010
    Indiana
    ...22/250...the end...poison is a nonspecific killer...any animal that happens by could be killed...Crosshairs are very specific.
     
  14. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    I am a total advocate of the "SSS"....But, being located where you are AND the owners KNOW that their dogs are a nuisance, I would be involving animal control. The electric fence is also good for other critters too.

    Where I live, it's not uncommon for all here to have that unspoken understanding when it comes to one anothers dogs...if a problem comes about, theres a phone call, if it happens again your dog doesn't come home. I expect the same with my own 2 dogs, if they aren't being "neighborly", they are leashed so they don't leave the yard.
     
  15. Devin

    Devin New Member

    Feb 6, 2011
    I would never ever use poison! Live trap them if you need to catch them, but don't risk poisoning something you didn't intend to poison.

    Strays their kids play with . . . good one. Well, then, if their kids play with them have them put a leash on and walk them to your shotgun.
     
  16. TheMixedBag

    TheMixedBag The Hoofcare and Repro specialist

    Oct 16, 2010
    Glencoe, OK
    I haven't seen the dogs in days (since we talked to the neighbors, actually), so maybe they have taken care of them. If they turn up again, then I will do my best to take care of them myself (with a bullet, don't worry).

    I do also want to reiterate that the neighbors who own the black/white dog *are* being helpful and friendly with this problem, and want the dog gone as much as we do. I wish I could say the same for the others, though....
     
  17. mrs. lam

    mrs. lam New Member

    Apr 20, 2010
    I use a .22 rifle you can use shorts if need be and it's not very loud. Keep some fire crackers on hand and if anyone says anything just show them the firecrackers and smile. "What gunshot?" I also drag the dogs way out in the woods and dump them down old stump holes. (my granny tends to feed strays and they always end up coming down to our end) Bam! "What dog? Must have wandered back to it's owner.." Go home whistling with hands behind back. She has stopped asking if she suddenly has one missing. :greengrin:

    I have heard of poisons but have never used it. Too scary for me. I don't want to poison my cat, Thor. He's an awesome cat. He guards the chickens from other cats and even goes hunting with us. He's one of a kind. :love:

    Good luck with the dogs. If you get the chance, drop them where they stand. If you need bail money, I'll help with a donation to bail you out. :thumb:

    Gina
     
  18. TheMixedBag

    TheMixedBag The Hoofcare and Repro specialist

    Oct 16, 2010
    Glencoe, OK
    Wouldn't need the firecrackers or the bail money, but thank you! Like I said, when I called the town sheriff, he told me to open fire, since he can't himself. So basically I have permission from the police force to use all means necessary, regardless of what they are, so long as mine or my neighbor's cattle are in immediate danger (i.e. dogs are in the fields)
     
  19. mrs. lam

    mrs. lam New Member

    Apr 20, 2010
    I've been worried about when we move. A LOT of coyotes and a black panther. (confirmed by game warden) We used to have a wild animal "park" not far from our land and several years ago we had bad storms go through which damaged the cages. Animals got lose and the owner would never fess up as to how many and what type of animals escaped. Monkeys were found as well as parrots and I think a lemer. He would not say how many lg. cats were lost. The warden said they have been breeding on Pelham range (army range) for years but not to worry they have never had a report of lost livestock. I can shoot if I or my animals are in danger. Talked to neighbors and they have seen it but haven't had a problem. The guy next door said between deer and rabbits, they have plenty to eat. I hope he's right. We have a friend who is going to put up a hunting cam on the backside to see if we can't get a picture of what's going through to property. I'll keep you posted. A photo of a black panther would be cool. (as long as it doesn't eat anyone.) Grumpy may decide to put in for a transfer. :laugh:

    Gina
     
  20. rocky_ridge_goats

    rocky_ridge_goats New Member

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    Aug 6, 2010
    Shoot it with a pellet gun. It keeps most cats and dogs away. Don't have any remorse while doing it, I live on less than an acre as well and my father has shot at animals that threaten our goat. I will say, though, Bill (my goat) is not afraid of killing a dog. He threw a twenty-pound beagle across the yard one day with his horns about four months ago. If the pellet gun doesn't work, go straight to authorities. There is no reason somebody should let dogs loose in a residential area where there might be children. I might live in the middle of nowhere, but people should have more sense than that.

    I wouldn't trap any dogs, unless it's a humane trap like... oh, drat. I think it's the kind that you trap possums in to release them later- as long as the dogs are about the size of a small cat. Don't use a trap that clamps around their legs with teeth... that can be really dangerous. Under no circumstances, use poison!!!!!