well....its gotten a little easier. I don't have a milk stand yet, but am using a grooming table which helps alot. I can get a half cup of milk but the flow is miniscule.. compared to what the breeder got when she milked her so I'm not doing something right... how can it take that long if its just a small ND? how long do you spend milking? I can't imagine it taking forever... if so, I"m in the market for a milk machine down the road..lol. And yes, I can get up earlier on some days, but on days I have two other farms to take care no I can't get up earlier... not gonna happen. especially not with the bear that lives in the wood by the barn. too chicken and it will be too early to turn out.