Ignore the color.. what do you think of his build?

Discussion in 'Goat Conformation' started by R.Williamson, Apr 26, 2020.

  1. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    Color aside I would genuinely like a harsh critique on this boy. The stand is at a rather steep angle because I needed to get the head part low enough for this fellow's head. The stand is pretty large and I purchased it for my grown goats. Anywho, more to the point.I would like a harsh critique as to the pro's and cons of this boy. He is not clipped (obviously) and straight out of the pen. First time on a stand. If the angles are bad please let me know what angle you would prefer so I can get a picture from that angle. Born 2/20/2020 20200426_173951_HDR.jpg 20200426_173823 (2).jpg 20200426_173812.jpg 20200426_173808.jpg 20200426_173715.jpg 20200426_173609.jpg 20200426_173540.jpg 20200426_173524.jpg

    Born 2/20/20
     
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  2. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    I'm not good at critiquing but love his coloring.
     

  3. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    Flashy boy! I will do my best.

    Pros:
    - stands square
    - looks wide front to back
    - bone looks good for his age
    - strong rear pasterns

    Cons:
    - breaks behind shoulders
    - slightly steep rump
    - needs more rear muscling
    - straight head
    - short bodied

    I would say that his biggest strength is his squareness and width. Biggest weakness is his topline. One thing I couldn’t accurately judge were his front pasterns.
     
  4. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Very good judgment. I agree.
     
  5. CountyLineAcres

    CountyLineAcres Well-Known Member

    Jan 22, 2014
    Mineral Ridge, Ohio
    Thank you!
     
  6. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    His top looks much better in those pictures. Still not straight as a board but I was really not liking it in the first batch of pictures. Some people can get their animals to look so nice on the stand, mine are the same as this guy and they look terrible. I think because they are pulling back so much.
    I do though agree with CountryLineAcres on what she had to say. But I do have to say he looks like a good sized kid and I think he is growing very well. Do you have a weight on him?
     
  7. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    In the first set of pics he is just a little over 2 months. I do not have a weight on him but my 6'2 son has a hard time lifting him lol. The 2nd set of pics he is actually about 5 weeks old give or take.
    He has his issues no doubt. Curious to see how he turns out
     
  8. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    Looking forward to seeing more photos as he grows.
     
  9. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    I look forward to watching him grow as well ty. I will definitely be posting updated pics of him
     
  10. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
  11. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    As promised some updated pics of this boy. The boards in the background are 2x8's. I figure that should help as a size reference. I know I do not have pics from the front. I figured I would grab a few photos while I was feeding. The ground in here is also not flat. 20200514_165533_Burst05.jpg 20200514_165415.jpg 20200514_165401.jpg 20200514_165100.jpg 20200514_165033.jpg 20200514_165415.jpg 20200514_165125.jpg 20200514_165050.jpg 20200514_165046.jpg
     
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  12. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    The black doe in the background is his Mom. 20200514_165242_HDR.jpg
     
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  13. SalteyLove

    SalteyLove Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    New England
    For me, it's all about the growth! What's his weight and age now or ADG?

    How are his teat structure and dams udder?

    I like him overall! I think his Roman nose could be stronger and I'm not crazy about his testicle shape/fullness/or split right now.
     
  14. Jessica84

    Jessica84 Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    California
    He looks like he is maturing nicely! Really the only two things that are really jumping at me as a con is he’s a bit posty in his back legs and weak pastures. But I do think that a lot of Times the Pastures (ignore my spell check I’m over the constant battle) are caused by selenium deficiency. In some pictures he looks to have decent length and in others not so much but I do like him better in these pictures
     
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  15. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    Born 2-20-2020 currently weighs 68.5lbs . 5.5lbs at birth ADG is 0.75. No creep feed. Fed with the does. His Teat structure is a clean 1x1 , He is 84 days at this point. He is getting pulled this week to go into his own area. 20200426_173951_HDR.jpg



    Dam's teats are pictured. 2x1 . 20200514_165033 (2).jpg 20200426_173951_HDR.jpg KOPpedigree.png
     
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  16. R.Williamson

    R.Williamson Active Member

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    Mar 21, 2019
    South Carolina
    I completely agree on his head. It needs some work. His testicles too. That is a problem from his sire's side. His testicles are a massive improvement over his sire's. I purchased his sire to address a lack of Bone in my goats. He definitely delivered the bone. The does have made some drastic improvements in the testicular region of their bucklings. My next goal is to bring in a bit more of that roman nose. One step at a time as they say :) I believe the girl I recently added into the herd (lord help me that one is another story!) will be a big improvement in that area. I purchased her specifically with this buck in mind. I hate her teat structure but this boy should fix it.
     
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  17. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Oklahoma
    Im not as awesome as County line..or Toth or Jessica..but what they are telling you can be corrected. His loin length will blossum between 3 & 4 months. Thats why in the later pictures he looks more balanced. Like you said no grain. He needs some top weight with proper feed, you can improve that.
    Salty brought up the none roman nose look. Thats fine..feed him out, walk him go for the new tubular look. He may not be stocky enough for the bulky standard boer. But this new tubular slick look. You could pull off.
    Im no expert. And this buckling is gorgeous. Please dont try to lock him in 1 way. Ok? Hes good! Very nice for so young!
     
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