Discussion in 'The Chatter Box' started by TinyHoovesRanch, Mar 28, 2010.

  1. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    So, as many goat breeders know you ARENT advised to keep a buck out a first freshener. Heres my story

    I have this "friend" who is pretty much ruining the breed of nigerian dwarf goats. She has some ok goats some with AMAZING lines and she pretty much abuses them. NOT PHYSICALLY. But she breeds her nice does to bucks and doest look for confirmation or bloodlines. Shes a color breeder, thats all she cares about.

    Well, I have 2 bucks(at the time) which I offered for stud service. I had someone use them, she was in my 4H group. about 2 months after she used Sunny, she had to sell both her does because they were escaping from her fencing. She sold them to the "friend" that is BAD with breeding.

    One was bred, one wasnt THANK GOODNESS! The nicer one didnt take. WELL the one that did take has 2 babies, one doe and one buck. I "trusted" this "friend" so gave her papers for the breeding memo and assumed she would take responsibilty....

    SHE DIDNT. She sold the boy as a buck! This doe was a FF and she barely knew anything about her or her lines. It just makes me mad when people do this. That boy has my lines and I really didnt want her to do that, when I asked her to wether him she told me not to tell her how to raise her goats when shes been raising themfor 15 years.....SHS ONLY 15 :GAAH: :hair:

    And on another note.... I have a questions for all breeders, How much is your stud fee?
    She, the "friend" got a buck and I will admit hes good, not that good though. Shes charging $75 for people to use him. The famous Castle Rock farms home of Montego Bay and a bunch of NICE bucks, charges only $60 per doe. Now I KNOW for a fact this buck is NOT better then any CastleRock buck. I just think thats WAY overpriced....he doesnt have freshened daughters and hes never been shown....
  2. Lizzy_18

    Lizzy_18 New Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    WOOO GO LAURA!! :devilish: lol :D u said everything i wanted to say!!
    may i add she HATES advice given to her.... :hair:

  3. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    bahahaha yes I forgot to add....IF anyone even someone really experienced nd nice gives just a little advice about a breeding pair shes gets all crazy and yells.....because "she knows how to raise HER goats"
    Shes giving them a bad name.....UGH I wish we could take her goats away.....

    From now on Im not helping her with anything goat related. No letting her use my bucks or anything......
  4. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    doesn't sound good. can't you contact the association and see if they can re-voke the papers, if you don't want the buckling out of your buck to be reg, I'm sure they can do something.

    I charge $40. to my FB Reg. Boer, but his genetics are used a lot up here and its time for some new ones, a nice FB Boer up here could successfully be studded out for $70-80 per doe, but there aren't many, in any nice ones here yet.
  5. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Just a note for next time when you sign breeding memos, you can get doe-only memos from AGS and for ADGA I just write in bold, capital letters "DOE KIDS ONLY" at the top. That way it for sure will not happen again.

    What a bummer. I cannot stand it when stuff like that happens. . .
  6. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    I think hes already been registered though....could I still do that if hes registered? Plus she sold him and hes already at his new home :veryangry:

    Ya I would understand a really nice buck, could be studded out for alot but when they arent that good or common, they should be priced cheaper.

    Olivia: When I gave her the papers I asked her to not keep any bucks and she promised me she wouldnt.....I thought I could trust her :(
  7. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    okay, olivia has a great point, doe kid only.

    I'm guessing if she's already sold him it's too late, sorry you're dealing with this :hug:
  8. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    UGH thanks guys for helping! Next breeding season ALLLLLL DOE ONLY MEMOS lol
  9. Lizzy_18

    Lizzy_18 New Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    ....sorry laura...... lol dont u just LOVE how she said ur old buck and her doe that u/her never showed was a champ...she LIES sooo much...
  10. Bebop

    Bebop New Member

    Feb 26, 2010
    Baumholder, Germany
    Sorry for my lack of experience but why is it bad to keep a buck out of a FF? I just put a deposit on a buck out of one... O_O
  11. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    Seriously.....I mean sunny wasnt that good, he was ok. He never showed EVER and neither did cookie. I love how they are "champion parents"

    JESSICA!!! Um well its nt bad...its just you dont really know how the udder will turn out so alot of breeders wait to sell bucks until they have seen the udder
  12. Bebop

    Bebop New Member

    Feb 26, 2010
    Baumholder, Germany
    Oh! Okay, so I'm good, the breeder was telling me that she does have a really nice udder for a FF, and parents and grandparents are all around from awesome genetics.
  13. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    Welll most breeders wait for a long time before doing that so they know wat to look for so yes I would say you are good. lol
  14. RunAround

    RunAround New Member

    Feb 17, 2008
    One thing about the Doe Only service memos. If you are going through the AGS ONLY give the doe only service memo because it is different. Don't just write on the top because people can and will cut what you wrote off the top.

    Another thing, selling a buck out of a FF isn't terrible. There are a lot of very good breeders who will sell bucks out of FF's.

    Not saying this lady did the right thing, or that she is a good or bad person. What she did would have pissed me off too. :hug:
  15. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    Ok thanks! I will print some of those out!

    I know some bucks from experienced breeders out of FFs are GREAT! Like Guy Noir from castle rock, hes one of there best bucks and hes from a FF. But this girl is a BAD BREEDER, she lies, complain when you give her advice and thinks shes doing theright thing....
    BUT as a famous breeder once told least we wont have to worry about her when we are against her at a show :p
  16. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    it happens, shrug it off, you can't make everyone smarter ( and i think i know who it is, and if it is, there's no hope anyway) so just let it go and let her build up bad karma
  17. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    Hmmm not sure you know....say her name lol
  18. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    I am sorry you had an issue like this but once a goat is sold bred you really have no say in how the kids are registered unless you hold the papers on the doe. Basically in the future you now know what to do and hopefully it doesnt happen again to you.

    I know its frustrating and its upsetting but lets not get carried away saying blanket statements about selling and breeding FF's kids.
  19. Lizzy_18

    Lizzy_18 New Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    Well in most cases it is bad to have a buck from a FF unless they reek out freken amazingness!! :p

    and im sure she did not mean to make it sound "bad" about FF bucks, but most responsibe breeders dont sell FF bucks unless they know thats the best buck from that doe :D
  20. TinyHoovesRanch

    TinyHoovesRanch New Member

    Stacey: I never meant to hurt anyone. I feel we should all have our opinions and that is my opinion. I have seen great bucks from FF but in this case with my friend, that buck should of been wethered