Is this Chamoisee?

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by SterlingAcres, Jan 20, 2010.

  1. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
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    I'm told it's "perfect".
     
  2. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    No. These are chamoisee...The tops is the most common shade of chamoisee, the bottom is pale chamoisee. Notice the markings are exactly the same. These markings will not vary. Brown(different shades are possible) with black legs, underbelly, line down back and will generally have two black lines coming down over the eyes.
     

  3. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    I think that is "Cou Clair" but definitely not chamoisee.

    The goat or the color? :)
     
  4. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

  5. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    Yeah, I thought so. I'm starting to think this woman is crazy. That's "a perfect chamoisee pattern with cou blanc in her genetic history." You know, because she's super rare. She's 11 by the way.
     
  6. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    She's not a full cou clair, but could have it somewhere back in her genetics. To me this looks like she's got pygmy genetics behind her with agouti marking on her face. Do you have pics of her parents? There is no definate name for her markings or color.
     
  7. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    she is old style nigerian dwarf. her pattern is not chamoisee as has been mentioned but yah a cou clair pattern maybe more likely

    the chamoisee pattern is not rare. One does not sell goats by rare color, thats silly.
     
  8. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    Nah, she's not a mutt. She's old school Enchanted Hill. Double registered, I believe. I'd have to check.

    I'm confused how a woman who's been breeding for so long can get so many color a** backwards. And then use them as a selling point.
     
  9. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    Enchanted Hill Crescent Moon

    Sire: Enchanted Hill CC Wm F Buckley
    SS: Karim's Little Owl
    SD: Enchanted Hill Lotus Blossom

    Dam: Enchanted Hill Larkspur
    DS: Goodwood Merlin
    DD: Enchanted Hill Leprechaun


    Her pedigree, if that helps.
     
  10. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    Those are very good bloodlines. Since she's full nigerian she really could have several markings mixed together.
     
  11. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    Alright.... next pedigree. How's this one? Do you know?

    Enchanted Hill Cozette

    Sire: Enchanted Hill O'Leary
    SS: Karim's Little Owl
    SD: Enchanted Hill Leprechaun

    Dam: Old Orchard Valentine
    DS: Patchwork's Rocky Road
    DD: Old Orchard Elfin Fairy
     
  12. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    Enchanted Hill has bred some superb goats. I really really have like most of the goats I have seen from them. I have never heard of Patchwork, Old Orchard, or Karim's herds, but if Enchanted Hill was using them in their herd then they are probably very nice goats. So I do like the pedigrees. The last one was better though, imo.
     
  13. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I found Enchanted HIll O'Leary on this page -- also has some of his daughters http://pemberleyacres.com/nd_reference.htm

    looks like a nice buck

    Enchanted Hill Leprechaun -- couldnt find her picture but she was in some nice goats pedigrees
     
  14. kids-n-peeps

    kids-n-peeps New Member

    477
    Aug 24, 2009
    Virginia
    LOL, I recognize these goats . . . was recently perusing the same website. My thought was that the breeder has the color patterns confused on many of the goats. I don't get the sense that it's to pull the wool over prospective buyers' eyes - perhaps the breeder is just misinformed.

    Our Huckleberry has a lot of Enchanted Hill on the sire's side and shares some of these bloodlines you've mentioned. I'll try to find a more recent pic of him, although my pics are all natural/not posed.
     
  15. kids-n-peeps

    kids-n-peeps New Member

    477
    Aug 24, 2009
    Virginia
    I'll have to take a picture of him tomorrow if the weather cooperates. This is one I've shared already . . . sorry to repeat it. (he's not Chamoisee)

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10682
     
  16. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    Gosh, is he eye candy or what? I really :love: him. If I get lucky, one of these ladies will produce a baby with his coloring :)
     
  17. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    I know and this makes me nervous because she's supposed to be promoting the breed. I know there are sooo many colors, but I've personally emailed her several times and she's all over the place with information and such. Ugh.
     
  18. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Grand Daughter of Enchanted Hill CC Wm F Buckley
    Grand Champion Jr. Doe God's Love Farm Choco Eclair AR*D#2227

    http://www.meadowridgekennels.com/gpage56.html

    also from Enchanted Hill Larkspur I found lots of sons and great grand sons -- so that means she had enough of an udder and conformation to create a legacy like that.
     
  19. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    She is a chamoisee. A cou clair is french for clear neck, the animal will have a black back end, with our without black legs. often with a dorsal stripe and and black facial markings.
    her front end will be saffron gray off white or brown, like these.
    http://olentangyalpines.com/photos/Tellurian08.jpg
    http://www.sherecountry.com/Blue%20Yoko3.jpg
    http://velvetacres.com/YO%2092109%20rut.jpg
    http://flyawayfarm.com/images/peace1.jpg

    Cou blanc is french for white neck and the markings will be the same as above but the neck and shoulders will be white. A lot of times kids born looking like cou blanc are actually cou clairs as they get darker as they get older. I have only ever had one true cou blanc in twelve years.

    http://flyawayfarm.com/images/trinity1.jpg
    http://www.rainbowcolorsalpines.com/pics/43.JPG

    this kid also came up when i did a google search for a cou blanc but you can see she is already going silver over her neck and withers. making her a cou clair rather then a cou blanc
    http://dawnwinddairygoats.com/yahoo_sit ... 161610.JPG

    there are variations of the color patturn,
    broken cou clair (he has a white stripe up his side, but it doesnt go all the way around)
    http://members.cox.net/criswaller/couclairAGS.jpg

    Belted cou clair (she has a white band around her middle)
    http://autumn-acres-farm.com/Nexus%20062009.jpg

    the defination of chammy would be brown with or without black legs facial markings dorsal strip and markings on either side of the tail.
    http://www.rainbowcolorsalpines.com/pics/Luckie.JPG
    http://coldcomfort.com/bunbury.jpg
    http://autumn-acres-farm.com/Taudry.jpg
    http://dawnwinddairygoats.com/yahoo_sit ... 03_std.jpg
    http://www.sunvalleygoats.com/images/primo.jpg
    http://www.boeredsilly.com/Gerard.jpg (two tone lavender chamoisee)

    the kid that kids-n-peeps posted is a frosted cou blanc.
     
  20. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    996
    Oct 19, 2009
    She's got her listed as chamoisee with black accents. This is correct?