If it isn't one thing it is another. Now that Hans is on the road to recovery it seems I now have a new issue. Sweet peas kids are taking all the milk so there is NOTHING for Kitten! :angry: Poor Kitten is not herself tonight. So she is going cold turkey! I tried the bowl idea, she just lets me hold her nose in and doesn't do anything :sigh: but I will keep that up. She did get some milk from Aspen so she isnt' starved but is rather hungry I can tell. I tried Prestos bottle and she didnt' scream her head off and mouthed the bottle --- no big hopes up yet on this though. So pray please! really hard that she gets the idea of one of these. I need to get milk into her I am counting on your prayers my prayers and Kittens stubborn nature to not starve to get us over this hump.