LA-200 during goat pregnancy info...interesting

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by getchagoat (Julie), Nov 9, 2007.

  1. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

    603
    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    Got this from one of my goat lists. I like to see what this lady finds as she investigates thoroughly. Be sure to read all the way down through the response.
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    4a. Oxytetracycline Use During Gestation
    Posted by: "Susan Rektorik Henley" srektorik@earthlink.net
    srektorik
    Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 7:40 am ((PST))

    I try to read as many messages as I can so I can learn as much as
    possible. In several messages, there has been references to information on
    the use of Oxytetracycline during pregnancy that I was not familiar
    with. This morning I had the chance to search the internet: and, I think
    I have the information being referred to. I believe it is as follows:

    "LA-200 (oxytetracycline) - Over-the-counter product for broad-spectrum
    antibiotic use. I use it very rarely. I don't like the fact that this
    thick liquid is painful to the goats. Never use LA-200 or any
    tetracycline product on pregnant does or kids under six but preferably under 12
    months old. Interferes with bone & teeth formation both in utero and
    while kids are growing. Can cause abortion in pregnant does at certain
    points in the pregnancy, so it is best not to use it at all. The chance
    for birth defects is highest in the first and second trimesters of
    pregnancy. Oxytetracycline is sometimes used for prevention of late
    pregnancy abortion caused by chlamydia and other bacteria susceptible to it.
    Use 1 cc per 25 lbs. body weight IM every third day for a maximum usage
    of three doses."

    I found this information at the following URL:
    http://www.boergoats.com/clean/articleads.php?art=72.

    Because this information is so different from everything I had learned,
    I first checked the information in a book I have; "Plumb's Veterinary
    Drug Handbook, Fifth Edition," by Donald C. Plumb. The only
    information it contains about the use of Oxytetracycline during pregnancy is
    that it states that "a canine and feline study can cause congenital
    malformation or embryotoxicity." And, while I could not find any
    information in the Plumb text as to the effect on bone and teeth formation, it
    does state that the use of oxytetracycline can cause "staining of
    developing teeth and bone."

    Because I could not verify any of the new information in the Veterinary
    Drug Handbook, I sent the quote to an e-mail list that is
    specifically for health and veterinary issues pertaining to goats. As it is
    sponsored by a University, it is monitored by a Veterinarian who has had a
    goat practice for many years. Following is first my question and then
    her response:

    Question:

    "Below is a quote from a drug use article at
    http://www.boergoats.com/clean/articleads.php?art=72.

    'LA-200 (oxytetracycline) - Over-the-counter product for broad-spectrum
    antibiotic use. I use it very rarely. I don't like the fact that this
    thick liquid is painful to the goats. Never use LA-200 or any
    tetracycline product on pregnant does or kids under six but preferably under 12
    months old. Interferes with bone & teeth formation both in utero and
    while kids are growing. Can cause abortion in pregnant does at certain
    points in the pregnancy, so it is best not to use it at all. The chance
    for birth defects is highest in the first and second trimesters of
    pregnancy. Oxytretracycline is sometimes used for prevention of late
    pregnancy abortion caused by chlamydia and other bacteria susceptible to it.
    Use 1 cc per 25 lbs. body weight IM every third day for a maximum usage
    of three doses.'

    Can anyone tell me how much of this is true?

    The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook states that Oxytetracycline can
    cause "staining of developing teeth and bone."

    It also states that a canine and feline study can cause congenital
    malformation or embryotoxicity.

    Is is known to be true for goats and should oxytetracycline not be used
    during gestation except for in late-term situations?

    Thanks,"


    Response:

    Hello Susan,

    Almost none of this is true for using oxytet in the goat. In picking
    out what is correct, birth defects are most likely to occur if drugs are
    used in the first 30 days of a doe's pregnancy. It is not about
    trimester. The dose for abortion prevention, when using Biomycin which is
    less painful, is 1 cc per 20 lb given once weekly , SQ,until the doe
    kids.

    So, not much good information there.
    Michele"

    The "Michele" is Michele Konnersman, DVM.

    Also, I wante to add that Dr. Konnersman advises goat owners to,
    whenever possible, avoid giving any drug during the first 30 days of the
    pregnancy of a goat because it is during that period that the embryos
    undergo the main formation. So, this is when most birth defects occur.

    If anyone has any technical information that supports the information
    in the quote from GoatWorld, I would appreciate you sharing it so I read
    it and pass it along.

    Thanks,

    Susan





    Susan Rektorik Henley
    Evening Star Farm
    Larue, Texas
    http://eveningstarfarm/
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  2. trob1

    trob1 New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Middle TN
    Very good information Julie and I'm glad you posted it.
     

  3. enjoytheride

    enjoytheride New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Humboldt Co Ca
    That is great to have followed up like that. I have hear that tetracycline can cause problems in utero but then heard that the problem may be that the teeth may be discolored. In otherwoeds, not much of a side effect.
    The internet is great for getting info but frequently things sounds very authoritive are really just rumors and guessing.
    Thanks
     
  4. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    WONDERFUL information THANK YOU.

    I am going to make this a sticky.
     
  5. Fainters

    Fainters New Member

    100
    Oct 10, 2007
    Western KY
    I learned the hard way that LA 200 will cause an abortion. I had a doe that got pink eye and so I went to the co-op and asked for a drug to cure it. They told me LA 200 and so I went home and gave her a shot. I was also putting salve in her eyes twice a day and so she cleared up and I only gave her that one shot. She was 45 days bred at the time. A week later she aborted. Later I found out that it should not have been given to a pregnant doe. I don't use LA 200 anymore because of that and because it stings them so badly.

    http://www.freewebs.com/scapegoatranch/
     
  6. MiGoat

    MiGoat New Member

    304
    Apr 21, 2010
    West Michigan
    That makes sense about the bone and teeth development. You know those people who are in their forty's who have kind of gray teeth? That is from their Mom's being given tetracycline when they were pregnant.
     
  7. kelly

    kelly New Member

    1
    Jan 17, 2012
    Hey there everybody,

    I am new to the site and was wondering if LA-200 can be used for a goat that just had her kids and one side is indicating mastitis. THis doe will be used in our dairy eventually. can you help me?
     
  8. EandEBoersWV

    EandEBoersWV JandHFarmWV

    150
    Dec 12, 2011
    WV
    I know this is an old thread, but I had two does abort this week around 3-5 weeks early. I had the vet come out and she said it was likely bacterial and that I should start LA 200 immediately. their doasge was 500 mg two times, 48 hours apart. Just to be on the safe side until the tissue sample results come back. I had no idea late term abortion was so common in goats.