Looking at an Alpine doe to buy - need opinions please ....

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by MiddleRiver, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    I would like to know what you Alpine people think of this doe's breeding - http://www.adgagenetics.org/DoeDetail.a ... A001315005

    And for you who know of GT if he would cross well with her - http://www.adgagenetics.org/SireDetail. ... A001112845

    Would really like to hear everything you have to say about this - she would be my first fully reg. doe, and i may get a buck out of her as well - either out of GT, or if she has one, she is bred to - http://www.adgagenetics.org/SireDetail. ... A001354054

    Oh, and i also have another question i rather ask more privatly ( so not to offend anyone ) - so if somebody doesn't mind, please email me at gnomehigh@hotmail.com - it's just about goats and CAE, CL prevention. Thanks !!!
     
  2. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI

  3. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    Well they are both very nice does.
    Your first doe is out of a herd somewhat local to me. I talked to Cathy Callehan at the 05 nationls. She has some very nice animals. The Waiilatpu herd has done some wonderful things for the Alpine world. I have a lot of does that can trace their lineage back to the waiilatpu herd.
    Here if a link that you can see that does grand dam Safina
    http://waiilatpu.com/adoesref.html

    As for Pressley, she would be my first choice, Her half brother Buster was my herd sire the last couple of years. Their dam Peek-a-boo was the first place three year old at the 06 nationals. Whats a doe she is.
    there is a picture of her on the buck page of my website.
    beth
     
  4. fritzie

    fritzie New Member

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    Oct 6, 2007
    TENN
    o.k. now if i can get them in the right order :wink: i really like the breeding on the first one you are looking to get & i would rather see her bred to gt than the other buck.
    i under stand about budget but i wouild get the first one. much better lines.
    my young buck that is at kristens right now is a grqand son of waiilatpu genevea bred to revalation. revealation is a half brother to willow run rishona. you could get ahold of cheryl nestor also she has alot of there breeding & is very helpful. she has the farm name of nestor acres & has some great animals. hope that helped.
    also if you look at the LA scores on the first one you like they are very good.
     
  5. ozarksvalley

    ozarksvalley New Member

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    Nov 22, 2007
    Missouri
    I like too like the breeding of the first one. :) But, the second doe has some very nice lines, too. The buck she is bred to is a Pearl Valley Lilac son (of corse you knew that, LOL) and I just LOVE her. Would you like the links to Munchin Hill, Cherry Glen, and Pearl Valley if you don't already have them?
     
  6. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    i still like the doe kid breeding better. The Free Radical Line is really awsome, produced the 01 national champion Cherry Glen T. Holly's Hope. Pretty doe, she can be seen on the cherry clen page. It also prodeced the two time reserve national champion and the 06 national champion Gesture. here is a link to the Free Radical Family...
    http://cherryglenfarm.com/free_radical_ ... %20Radical

    the great thing about getting a purebred doe is you can cator to both the american and fench breeders. French alpine breeders will only buy from french herds. and a lot of american alpine breeders will buy french bucks.
    beth
     
  7. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Thanks everybody ! It is a very hard choice, as i don't have any of these bloodlines and really want them. I kinda like the second does breeding a little bit better - but i would only get a doe kid out of her if she has one - for more then i would pay for the the first doe that is bred - however if she has a doe kid the breeder wants a doeling back - no biggy as i'm not that set on having a doeling out of the buck she is bred to - i don't know anything about his breeding. I would just want doe #1 for breeding to my buck.

    So doe #1 is half as much as a doeling from doe #2, and doe #1 is bred, so say i get a buckling from her - i could ask all you wonderfull people if i should keep him or sell him, then cross her with GT. Doe #2 though, i like her breeding just a tad more - but i'm VERY new and VERY much still learning, so i really need help picking one :+) I don't yet know much about LA scores yet either. Thanks all !
     
  8. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    well if your not crazy about the buck that doe number one is bred to then maybe keeping a buck from that breeding won;t be a good idea. As for keeping buck out of her at all it all depeds on what she looks like. How is her udder. mom and grandma pays a big factor on that those buckd will throw.
    Sometimes psying more isn;t always a bad thing, you may br paying more for a better doe.
    Ehrn proplr comr to me looking for a doe i ask them what they want from her, is it milk? do they want her to win in the show ring? I always tell them to buy the best they can afford. It coctd the samr amount of monry to feed a doe that is winning in the show ring and putting mton of milk in the bucket as it does a doe who isn't, so you may be paying more up front but in the long run she may pay ou back. And if bred to the right buck you may get better kids that you yourself can get more money out of.
    As for the LA Scores, i took a look at both does, ADGA doesn't tell you a final dcore but they doe give you some numbes. Doe number one has six things out of the average ideal range, she apears to have a narrow rump a weak MSL teats set too far apart. the second doe hasn't been LA'ed yet. But I can tell you that peek-a-boo La'ed 91 EEEE at age two years. And her sister Annie Who is out of the same buck was 89 VEEE at two years.
    beth
     
  9. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    Thanks Beth :+) A budget wasn't my idea - blame the hubby for that one :+) He is the reason i have to pass on a lot of goats due to their price, at least he is warming up to them now though.

    I think i may actually pass on both of these though as i'm not comfortable with a few things reguarding the herd.

    I am however looking for a nice doe or doeling - price is an issue so shipping i can't do so must be in the MN/WI area. Any ideas where to start ? I've checked Kara Kahl - to pricey for the hubby, and have checked a couple others, and am waiting to hear, but if anybody knows somebody with a nice reg. Alpine in my area, please let me know. Thanks all !
     
  10. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    Hopefully you can get this doe, she has really nice lines :D

    I used to think the same thing about prices, but if that animal is going to do good things to your herd, they are worth whatever you pay for them. Plus, they will be payed off in one kidding season if you sell their kids. That's jmo. :wink:
     
  11. Dover Farms

    Dover Farms New Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    NW Ohio
    I don't know much about Alpines, but from what I've been seeing win at Nat'ls and Alpine breeder ads in the UCN....Cherry Glen, Redwood Hills, Tempo, and Pearl Valley are some of the nicest Alpines! :D I say go with the kid...like said before...you'll get your money back from her, because you will be able to ask more for her kids since they would be nicer! :wink:
     
  12. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    Ah the hubby, LOL.
    Shipping a young kid really isn;t bad If you can find a kid for realitvely inexpensive two or three hundred shipping is
    beronly about three hundred. Worth it a lot of the time.
    there is a MargeryLittle falls that as french and american alpines. her email is mergieb@littlefalls.net. There is a MArk Danielson in Deluth email is mcfdaniel@msn.com.
    I found those two in the ADGA herd directory. Its a start
    beth
     
  13. fritzie

    fritzie New Member

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    Oct 6, 2007
    TENN
    some ti,es you can find some one that is going your way that has room for another goat & will haul it for you for some gas money. if you have any doubts then i would wait untill you find one that just grabs at your heart. how far is ohiop from you?
     
  14. fritzie

    fritzie New Member

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    Oct 6, 2007
    TENN
    i just thought of some thing else. are you on alpine talk? alot of the breeders advertize on there with there kidding scheduales. another thing is how soon you want one. the nationals are in KY this year so there will be breeders from all over the country there & some times some one will pick one up for you & meet you on there way back home.
     
  15. MiddleRiver

    MiddleRiver New Member

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    Oct 29, 2007
    Northwest WI
    fritzie - i'll have to check out Alpine talk - thanks for the ideas ! Does anybody from way up north in MN or WI go to the nationals ? hehe

    Beth - is your keyboard messed up ? I emailed the mark fella - he is very close to me. But that Marge is the gal with these goats in question. Thanks all, and wish me luck in my search :+)
     
  16. fritzie

    fritzie New Member

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    Oct 6, 2007
    TENN
    yes they come from all over for the nationals. there is another breeder up there. her name is jennifer lohman-peterson she is in endeavor wi. do you have the ADGA membership directory? you can find alot of them in there.
     
  17. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    She has LaManchas under the Elm*Glen herd name doesn't she? I looked her up one time, I think she's somewhere by Osh Kosh.