Is she a full LaMancha or a mini?
Maintaining Doe's Color in Her Kids
Hiho Folks,
I have a lovely little LaMancha doe that we'll be breeding this fall. I know of 2 large LaMancha herds near us and I've seen several random does here and there at the fairs. I have never seen a Munchie with Electra's coloring.
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I would LOVE to keep the spots in her kids. What should I look for colorwise in a breeding buck to maintain the spots? (The only bucks I'll be considering are quality, registered LaMancha bucks that throw kids with good conformation. However, I have 5 to choose from!)
Is there a particular color or pattern that is dominant?
Thanks!
(And we'll love her kids whatever color they end up being...)
I have a lovely little LaMancha doe that we'll be breeding this fall. I know of 2 large LaMancha herds near us and I've seen several random does here and there at the fairs. I have never seen a Munchie with Electra's coloring.
I would LOVE to keep the spots in her kids. What should I look for colorwise in a breeding buck to maintain the spots? (The only bucks I'll be considering are quality, registered LaMancha bucks that throw kids with good conformation. However, I have 5 to choose from!)
Is there a particular color or pattern that is dominant?
Thanks!
(And we'll love her kids whatever color they end up being...)
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Well, what are the five you have to choose from? If possible, google some of their kids see what they look like.. Lots of consistent colors?
I've found colors to be fairly random.. (Besides Black and Tan being fairly dominant...) one of the does I got this year is chocolate and white.. Her sister is a gold, and her brother is white with a black head.. So quite the difference in just one litter!
I've found colors to be fairly random.. (Besides Black and Tan being fairly dominant...) one of the does I got this year is chocolate and white.. Her sister is a gold, and her brother is white with a black head.. So quite the difference in just one litter!
White tends to be dominant - especially if both parents carry that color gene. That is why when you cross a Hereford with a solid black Black Angus, you will always end up with a Black calf with a white face. It could be a straight white face, or it could be brockle face, google eyes, or some other pattern of black on the white - but the face will be white.Is there a particular color or pattern that is dominant?
Thanks!
Genetics is one of my biggest interests, especially color genetics, but I'm not yet very well-versed in goats so take this info with a LOT of salt.
From what I've managed to learn so far, I think Electra's spotted pattern is due to at least two different factors. One is the very dominant belted-with-white type of spotting pattern, and the other one is a pattern modifier that I *think* is called ticking. I don't know if ticking is dominant or recessive, but since it seems to be pretty rare I'm going to guess that it's recessive.
Her white belt is very extensive - so much so that I would think she is homozygous for that trait, that is, if it's inherited anything like the white pied patterns in cats. (Big if.)
If both of her parents had white patterns then I think you can be pretty sure that she won't throw any solid babies, BUT - the amount of white is almost impossible to predict.
Her color is inherited separately from her pattern. Is she a chocolate? Someone else could probably tell you more about the way that goat pigments are inherited because the little I've read suggests that they are very different from what I'm used to.
I guess that if any of your potential bucks show signs of the ticking pattern then that one would be my first choice to keep her pattern. I think the white will come through regardless. But as for keeping the color of the pigmented areas ... I'm clueless.
From what I've managed to learn so far, I think Electra's spotted pattern is due to at least two different factors. One is the very dominant belted-with-white type of spotting pattern, and the other one is a pattern modifier that I *think* is called ticking. I don't know if ticking is dominant or recessive, but since it seems to be pretty rare I'm going to guess that it's recessive.
Her white belt is very extensive - so much so that I would think she is homozygous for that trait, that is, if it's inherited anything like the white pied patterns in cats. (Big if.)
If both of her parents had white patterns then I think you can be pretty sure that she won't throw any solid babies, BUT - the amount of white is almost impossible to predict.
Her color is inherited separately from her pattern. Is she a chocolate? Someone else could probably tell you more about the way that goat pigments are inherited because the little I've read suggests that they are very different from what I'm used to.
I guess that if any of your potential bucks show signs of the ticking pattern then that one would be my first choice to keep her pattern. I think the white will come through regardless. But as for keeping the color of the pigmented areas ... I'm clueless.
Greybird - I'm not positive, but I think you are right about the ticking. I have no clue whether it is dominant or recessive, but I think it might be dominant. It appears to be in dogs, anyway, so it isn't that big of a stretch to apply that to goats. Of course, I could be totally wrong, too! :laugh:
It's the mystery of how inheritance works that keeps me interested.
I'm pretty well versed when it comes to color genetics in cats, canaries and pigeons. I know a few basics with dogs, I'm still learning with turkeys, and then there are goats ...
So much knowledge, so little time ....
I'm pretty well versed when it comes to color genetics in cats, canaries and pigeons. I know a few basics with dogs, I'm still learning with turkeys, and then there are goats ...
So much knowledge, so little time ....
Tell me about it! Then there is the terminology that usually requires several dictionaries to decipher! :laugh:So much knowledge, so little time ....
Very pretty doe! Is she registered? I cant help you on the genetics, but I just had to chime in. I wish I could find a Nigerian with her color pattern. She reminds me of my buck's mom. If her babies turn out anything like her, no matter the color pattern, you'll have something!
Yes, she is absolutely beautiful, and I don't care for LaMancha's! No offense intended to any LaMancha owners, I just don't seem to be able to get past the ears - or lack of them.
She is a full-blooded LaMancha from a reputable farm - not a mini. She is a little small for her age, but was well rated at the last 2 shows she was in.Is she a full LaMancha or a mini?
She is registered. We tried to breed her last year to a honey colored buck, but the breeding didn't take. That's probably for the best because she was small for her age. This year she's still a bit on the petite side, but I feel a bit better about her carrying and delivering kids.Very pretty doe! Is she registered? I cant help you on the genetics, but I just had to chime in. I wish I could find a Nigerian with her color pattern. She reminds me of my buck's mom. If her babies turn out anything like her, no matter the color pattern, you'll have something!
When I had Nigerians, I had a blue roan Nigie doe. I bred her to my buck who was tri colored with some ticking, but mostly white with the black and brown points and the ticking mostly on his face.
Anyway, this doe had 1 set of Quads and 1 set of quints...all does. Out of those 9 kids, 3 where marked similar to your doe. The does dam was black with some white (no spots) and the sire was blue roan, no ticking. The ticking had to have come from the sire because all her dams family were black with white or roany.
Anyway, this doe had 1 set of Quads and 1 set of quints...all does. Out of those 9 kids, 3 where marked similar to your doe. The does dam was black with some white (no spots) and the sire was blue roan, no ticking. The ticking had to have come from the sire because all her dams family were black with white or roany.
Usually you'll want to find one with similar markings to breed her to and cross your fingers! Some goats tend to really stamp a certain pattern on their kids and others seem to be all over the place. It's a toss up!
I'm trying to get pics of the bucks right now...Well, what are the five you have to choose from? If possible, google some of their kids see what they look like.. Lots of consistent colors?
I've found colors to be fairly random.. (Besides Black and Tan being fairly dominant...) one of the does I got this year is chocolate and white.. Her sister is a gold, and her brother is white with a black head.. So quite the difference in just one litter!
2 of them I've met. Dean is white and tends to throw white or tan babies (bleh) with champion conformation (whoo-hoo!). He is a HUGE buck and I think he's too big for my little doe!
His son, Irish Cream is a lovely golden brown. I haven't seen his kids (He was a jr. buck last year and only bred a very few does). The others I am waiting to see!
She's really pretty! That's all I know! I want to see pics of all her babies and see how this all turns out!
Agreed! One of my bucks always puts a star in the middle of his babies' foreheads, and frosting on the ears and muzzle. I don't think we have had one yet that doesn't have it!Usually you'll want to find one with similar markings to breed her to and cross your fingers! Some goats tend to really stamp a certain pattern on their kids and others seem to be all over the place. It's a toss up!
Its really hard to tell. I have a tan doe that one year I bred to a black buck too, she had triplets two tanish ticked buck and doe and one black doe, this year I bred her to a tan buck. She had quads, three black babies and one tan doeling. It's hard to tell what they will end up looking like.
My buck is a son of Dean. Most of his kids are a shade of gold, usually with a white partial band on one side. All the kids look like dad, (Deans son), in body type.
Did you ever see the picture I posted of my hairy Mancha buck? That would be the Dean son. The dam is Sunny Days, who is white.
However, I did get some color from some of my does bred to the Dean son this year. One doe had a doeling with swiss color, a gorgeous bay buckling and a light gold doeling with a black spot on her tail tip and her neck, another had twins that were bay and a third that is solid dark gold.
Did you ever see the picture I posted of my hairy Mancha buck? That would be the Dean son. The dam is Sunny Days, who is white.
However, I did get some color from some of my does bred to the Dean son this year. One doe had a doeling with swiss color, a gorgeous bay buckling and a light gold doeling with a black spot on her tail tip and her neck, another had twins that were bay and a third that is solid dark gold.
Ohhh, that's so nice to hear. I really like Irish Cream, but I was wondering if I should go a different direction because I hadn't seen any of his kids. Or maybe I did at one of the two fairs we've already been to. We get so busy there that I lose track of which goats go with which kids.
Remind where you live, Lottsagoats1. Do YOU have a buck close enough for us to consider? We're in Fairfield, ME. I have to drive 45-50 minutes to get to Leeman Family Farm or Hollow Maple Farm - which is where my does are from. The farms are pretty close to each other.
Remind where you live, Lottsagoats1. Do YOU have a buck close enough for us to consider? We're in Fairfield, ME. I have to drive 45-50 minutes to get to Leeman Family Farm or Hollow Maple Farm - which is where my does are from. The farms are pretty close to each other.
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