Merlin (aka Houdini) and the mess he's made UGH!

Discussion in 'Kidding Koral' started by GoofyGoat, Dec 13, 2019.

  1. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Well, Merlin's made a complete boil and bubble of things.

    He got out and well...you can guess the rest...
    Minerva, I believe got bred though when we got to her she had no outward sign (muck butt) of it. She was supposed to go into heat this past Tuesday but didn't. I stopped by my vet today and grabbed a dose of lute but I've never used it before and truthfully I'm nervous about it. I'm still on the fence about it. or just chicken, I just don't know ..There are risks with both.
    The thing is...She's my little spoiled favorite so that doesn't help matters, and the fact she's our littlest girl besides our rescue Thalia just scares the bejesus out of me.

    Stats: Nigerian Dwarf
    She's 11 months old, 53lbs but small in stature. I'm at work so I can't upload a picture but can either tonight or tomorrow after sun up.

    To make it a complete mess of things.....
    I also think he also got Andromeda (Minerva's mom) who we were trying to give a year off...I'm not a happy goat mom with Merlin... Her, I'll let kid,... and then retire her to live out her life fat and sassy ...
    Minerva though....
    Opinions....
    @Sfgwife @SandyNubians @happybleats @toth boer goats @Goats Rock
     
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  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    You can lute them, if you do not want them to have kids.
    Get it from your vet.

    The youngster sounds small, as you described and I hear your concern.
    I would lute her for sure.
    She may have complications.
     
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  3. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    I have 1.5cc's of lute in a syringe he gave me is it IM or SQ? He just had it drawn up and waiting at the front desk for me to pick up.
    If it's IM where's the best place to give it?
    What adverse effects should I watch for?
     
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  4. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
  5. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    It is always 2 cc's, no matter how big or age. So you do not have enough.

    It is IM.

    Wait 7 to 10 days before giving it, after the oops.
     
  6. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Oh no, I don't have enough? That's what the vet gave me, I'm not sure I can get more.
    She's 4 days past her expected heat so 26 days since the oops.
    Where IM?
    That's one thing I've never had to do on a goat so far. I know the hip area is bad...Where's better?
    Thanks for your help!
     
  7. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    The vet didn't give enough, it may not work properly under dosed.
    After giving it, around 2 days later, they will abort or come into heat.

    I don't like the neck area for IM, so, I give it in the shoulder area where it says IM on pic.

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    Feel in that area, you will feel an indentation area, you can feel it give a bit, where there is no bone.

    Inject the needle there , stop, then wait until the goat calms down a bit from the initial needle punch, then, pull back the needle to check for blood, if you see no blood in the syringe, you are good to go, then inject the Lute.
    Be sure to get it into that muscle, not shallow. Deep in there.
    However, if you see blood in syringe, try another spot in that area.

    https://happybleatsdairygoats.weebly.com/emergency-and-general-care/giving-shots
     
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  8. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    What will happen if she doesn't clear out? Can I dose her again without damaging her system? I called the vet to get the proper dose but no return call yet :(
     
  9. Sfgwife

    Sfgwife Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    North Cakalaki
    Oh dang you merlin! Sorry you gotta fret over his antics but you have excellent advice to take care of your ladies.
     
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  10. LamanchaAcres

    LamanchaAcres Active Member

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    Jan 11, 2013
    IM, Ive always given it in the neck. As stated above, always pull back to make sure theres no blood. I would wear gloves when administering this stuff. 2cc’s for a nigerian, ask for another .5 from the vet, she should clear out just fine with the proper dose.
     
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  11. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Thanks all,
    If Drom is bred I'm just going to let her kid... she would be 15 months between kiddings so it's ok.
    For Minerva though...My vet insists that's the proper dose(1.5cc) so I'm really in a catch 22.
    Now I don't know what to do. If it's not enough to do the job. it could make things worse.
    If she's indeed bred she'd be 2 days shy of 15 months old at the time of Kidding.
    I guess I'll take her in for an ultrasound ....
    I dunno :(
     
  12. Sfgwife

    Sfgwife Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    North Cakalaki

    Look on several good goat websites about the lute. Print info out a d take in to the vet as proof 2cc is what she needs. :).
     
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  13. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Not sure what to say, only that 2 cc's is proper dosage.
    This is an example of a vet that does not know about goats and dosage. :(
     
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  14. SandyNubians

    SandyNubians Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2017
    Idaho
    Darn boys! (headsmash)

    Yes, I've always and only used 2cc. Try and look up multiple sites that show the dosage and show your vet. It's always 2cc regardless of age, or size.
     
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  15. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Update:
    I took the syringe back and caught one of my vets vet techs and told him what happened.He took the syringe back popped in the .5cc I needed and said merry Christmas..no charge. He knew the new vet messed up and he put it right. ( he has goats) the one who dosed it I found out wasn't a livestock vet but small animal ( there are 10 vets at this hospital/clinic) and was asked to fill in and get it cause the livestock area was swamped.

    Yay! So tonight Minerva will get 2cc's and hopefully all will be done and done. However, while she's in heat in the next few days she'll be in a pen way away from where the buck can see/smell or hear her. Maybe even in the house...no matter what Mr Merlin ain't getting anywhere near her. :)
     
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  16. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Done and done. 2cc's IM she didn't even flinch my good little girl.
    What signs should I look for besides he coming into heat?
    What are the possible adverse effects?
     
  17. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    YAY~! So glad the knowledgeable goat vet corrected it. Hopefully he informed the new vet too. ;)

    You may or may not see a bloody discharge. Or see a plain discharge.
    As you are putting her into labor.
    She will then clean out.
    Just keep an eye on her for a while.

    If she is only 1 month or so bred, you won't see the fetus, it is really small at this stage.
    If she is not preggo, she will come back in heat.
     
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  18. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    Well, she is aborting. We have bloody discharge and she's visibly uncomfortable :(
    I'm glad to know it worked but sad to see her going through this.
     
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  19. Sfgwife

    Sfgwife Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    North Cakalaki

    Yay but dang that dumb merlin just had go and do that. I sorry your baby is not feelin so well.
     
  20. GoofyGoat

    GoofyGoat Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2018
    TEXAS
    She aborted the fetus about 8:30 last night but we have yet to see the after birth.
    Should we treat it like a full term birth and call the vet for oxytocin to get her to expel it?
    I'm also going to worm her and such like she just gave birth just in case.

    @toth boer goats @Sfgwife @SandyNubians
     
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