Movement on the goat's right side - New Vega size pics

Discussion in 'Goat Management' started by maple hill farm tina, Apr 21, 2010.

  1. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Is there anything else that might cause a wave-type movement on the right side of a goat? (and, yes, I'm SURE it's the goat's RIGHT side). I ask because I saw something tonight in a doe who is really not supposed to be bred (she had HUGE twin bucklings three years ago with her previous owner, had to have a c-section - both kids died - and was given to us two years ago with the express instructions that she should not be bred). Now, I'm really nervous. Our does and bucks are separated by a good-quality fence, and I've never seen anything that indicates that the bucks could get to the does through the fence. Even in full rut, when they REALLY want to, the bucks can't get out of their yard. We have a wether in with the does, though. Is it possible that he wasn't banded properly and could still be breeding? How can I know for sure (other than just waiting and seeing if she starts to go into labor)? I'm not really seeing anything that looks like she's putting on weight on the right side (although she is a larger doe, and it might be harder to tell). Advice, please????
    :shrug:
    -Tina
     
  2. RunAround

    RunAround New Member

    Feb 17, 2008
    Massachusetts
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side

    You can blood test, but the only time I have ever seen movement on their right side was when they were preggy.

    If your concerned about the kids being too big and (not to be harsh) don't care about their survival then you can give her Lute and she will abort them. Or she will just go into heat like usual.
     

  3. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side

    Thanks. If she is bred, do I suspect my wether or an unforeseen problem with my buck fence? (I guess it's important to note here that my husband teaches college online from home, so he's ALWAYS home; and he's never seen the bucks breach the fence - so, I guess the only logical explanation would be a botched neutering???) Has anyone else out there experienced this?

    -Tina
     
  4. Gumtree

    Gumtree Lurking Aussie

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    Aug 15, 2009
    S.E. Qld Australia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side

    have you got photo's of the doe? get them from the back, etc

    and yes if there was a possibility that your wether may be a micky-as we call it-(not properly fixed) they only need a tiny little bit and they can do it,
    can you catch the wether and feel if he's got any er umm bits left?
     
  5. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side

    So, I started thinking that, if my wether has bred the doe that's not supposed to be bred, who else has he bred????
    The first photo I added to the post (which is the last one it shows) is the doe that I saw the movement in. Now that I really look at her, I'm pretty darn sure she's preg.
    The others are my other does who aren't supposed to be pregnant right now (one of whom I wouldn't mind being preg. right now). One of whom just gave birth at the end of February, so I really DON'T want her to be pregnant again so soon.
    I couldn't feel anything on the wether that would indicate parts being left over, but they could be pretty deep inside, right?
    What do you all think?
    -Tina
     

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  6. MiGoat

    MiGoat New Member

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    Apr 21, 2010
    West Michigan
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    I wish I could help Tina...but all I see (cuz I am inexperienced) is goats butts.
    bwahhahaa
     
  7. jay13

    jay13 New Member

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    Apr 12, 2009
    Central NC
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    Just My .02 but are you holding their tails up in the pics? If you are, it can make it harder to tell or not. (from what someone else on the board told me, I'm too much of a noob to goats to know what I am looking for)
     
  8. myfainters

    myfainters New Member

    Oct 29, 2009
    Lancaster, CA
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    Jay is correct... you can't hold the tail up... it stretches things out back there. So I don't know for sure from the pooch picture,..... BUT she does look to have a tiny udder formation going on there. :)
     
  9. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    With the first doe, yes...the 2nd possibly yes the 3rd and 4th no.

    The first seems to have a good bit of udder.....have you noticed any growth to her udder?
     
  10. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    Liz, do you mean the top photo or the first photo that was posted (which would actually be the bottom photo in the line-up)? The all brown goat (top photo) just gave birth at the end of February. She's one I REALLY don't want to be pregnant again this soon...

    How utterly (or should I really say, "udderly?") frustrating...
    Arrgh! I just can't seem to get photos right... :GAAH:
    I'll try again tomorrow.

    Oh well. If I have to take more pictures, at least I can use it as an excuse to put off grading my students' poetry exams... :wink:

    Thanks, everyone,
    -Tina
     
  11. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    The blonde colored doe is the 1st pic I see and I do think she is preggy....the chocolate and the brown and white are a no, the reddish with the light fringe is a possible
     
  12. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    :slapfloor:
    I actually did the photo uploads on my laptop (which I also use for school), and I forgot to take them off after I uploaded them. Today, in last period, one of the students who sits over next to my desk said, "Mrs.L, why do you have pictures of goat butts on your computer?" I looked over, and my screen saver had kicked on into a slideshow. :ROFL: Fortunately, I live in a VERY rural community, and it was NOT a difficult thing to explain...

    Liz, that's pretty much what I thought. I have noticed a difference in Eva's udder (the 1st photo) over the last few days. That's when I started noticing movement, too. Darn that little wether...
    If I take her to the vet for an ultrasound, can they give me a clue as to the size and number and due date? If she can safely carry and deliver them, I'd like for her to, but I'm not going to put her in danger. How much (ballpark) am I looking at in cost for an ultrasound? I just need to budget for it... I suppose I also need to tell her previous owner what happened and get more details about what happened with her last kidding/C-section. She's going to be angry. I really didn't want to breed Eva, though, it was totally an accident. :sigh:

    -Tina
     
  13. CrossCreekTX

    CrossCreekTX New Member

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    Aug 10, 2009
    Central East Texas
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    Things happen and you cannot control everything. You thought the wether was safely "wethered", hardly your fault.

    There's a good chance she can deliver safely. Human moms frequently have normal births after c-sections. Do you know if the buck used in the prior pg was larger than your un-wether?
     
  14. MiGoat

    MiGoat New Member

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    Apr 21, 2010
    West Michigan
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    I can't believe you 'uddered' that. *groan* LOL
     
  15. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    :p
    I'm so glad my sense of humor is appreciated. Better laughing than crying, I always say...

    Well, I emailed the woman I got Eva from. Cross your fingers for me that she's not TOO mad at me. I know it wasn't really my fault, but I still feel responsible. Maybe, if she gives me a little more information on what happened last time, I'll better know what to do this time...
    As it stands, I think I'll definitely be getting her ultrasounded to check size, gestation, and the condition of her uterus. Then we'll see what happens from there.
    -Tina
     
  16. MiGoat

    MiGoat New Member

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    Apr 21, 2010
    West Michigan
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    It was an accident and really Eva is your goat now. You are caring for her, you own her, and the woman you got her from really has no say to be mad.
    That's just my opinion Tina.
    It was an accident. If that woman really cared to make total sure Eva didn't get pregnant she may have just kept her herself but it was much easier giving Eva to you and just telling you what to not do.
    That sounds mean but if the woman is mad at you you can think of what I said above. If she just says "well it was an accident and Eva is your goat now." then disregard all I said. LOL
     
  17. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    I'm just really the type of person who tries to avoid confontation at all costs. I don't like it. And I HATE disappointing people.
    Anyway, I just got an email back from the woman who had Eva before. She was TOTALLY understanding. It turns out that Eva only had to have a C-Section because her bucks were SO incredibly huge. Everything went well with the surgery, and nothing had to be stapled or tucked or any of the other scary things I've heard about. My bucks (including the un-wether) are all much smaller than anything where Eva was. So, hopefully, Eva will be fine. She and the reddish doe (Vega) will be headed to the vet next week. If Vega is preggers, we're definitely going to have to give her the Lute (she's only 7 months old, and she's TINY, TINY, TINY). Hopefully, when he ultrasounds Eva, though, we'll get great news about numbers, size, and a due date.
    Thanks for the support and info, everyone. I really appreciate it.
    -Tina
     
  18. maple hill farm tina

    maple hill farm tina Senior Member

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    Mar 14, 2010
    Rich Patch, Virginia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - Pooch pics added

    Interesting development...
    As far as Eva's concerned, this could be very good news. I was at Mom's and Dad's last night, and I mentioned that I thought Eva was pregnant. Dad miraculously remembered that Marmot got out of the buck pen when we were away in February (my step-daughter got married in Tallahassee, and we drove down for the wedding). Dad said that we had just had a record snowstorm, and the bottom line of the electric fencing was under the snow line (grounding out the entire fence). When he came down to feed, he found Marmot in with the girls.

    There are two really good things about this. #1 - My wether is not the guilty party, which means he was probably wethered correctly. #2 - Marmot is a TINY buck (he's only 18"). If anyone had to "get" Eva, he'd be the safest.

    Eva and Vega are going to the vet this week to double-check everything. If the vet says that he thinks Eva can carry and deliver safely, we're going to try it.

    If Vega's pregnant, though, there's no way she can carry safely to term. She's too small (she's only 7 months old). I'm uploading a better pooch picture (without me pulling on her little tail - she actually cooperated today). What do you all think? Is she or isn't she?

    Thanks!
    -Tina
     

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  19. Gumtree

    Gumtree Lurking Aussie

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    Aug 15, 2009
    S.E. Qld Australia
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - New info and pics

    by that pic...i'd say yes...she looks looseish
     
  20. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Re: Movement on the goat's right side - New info and pics

    Vega looks like she has a preggy pooch :(

    You say she is small, is it because of her age or is she actually small?

    I had an oops breeding take place 3 years ago with Angel, at the time she was 4 months old and just a baby, I did not know then that I could have involved a vet to terminate, I just did a lot of praying! She delivered a single doeling all on her own when she turned 9 months old. Angel was a fast growing kid though, not tiny but she was still a baby.

    It's also a good thing that your small buck was the culprit, for both your girls sake :wink: