I know i owe yall pictures of the lamancha doe i rescued but i have been getting out there at dark and havent been able to get them...but she out of the blue kidded today! and sorry this is long but its my first hard birth and it was crazy. I didnt expect them yet, i have been watching her and her udder wasnt FULL, but i did notice it was growing slowly, i figured next week sometime she would kid...NOPE! I came out to check on her around 3pm and there was a kid hanging out, just the head. He was dead and cold, i have no idea how long she had been in labor, but i could not get him to budge, so i tried to go in and there was another head right there trying to come out, it was still alive, i saw the tongue flopping, so i cleared its nose and it was breathing so i didnt want to push it back in, the other dead kid was HUGEEE! it absolutely would not budge, and i had to hold the does skin back so the other baby could breathe. I called the vet and they couldnt come out, but told me the only thing i could do was cut off the dead baby's head, push it back in, and then pull out the live baby. So thats what i did, well my husband helped. I had to get the live baby's front legs and then he came right out, and then the dead baby came out. The live baby is very very weak and very thin. I gave him some nutridrench, selenium/vit e gel (the mother had a dose 1 wk ago) and i gave the doe the calcium drench and she ate and drank. But she looks so miserable! i do not have banamine, is there anything i can give her? We got the kids out at 3:30pm and she still has not passed the afterbirth, it is 7pm. What should i do now?? Momma cleaned the baby and talked to him and he talks back and seems fairly ok, but is just weak. I helped him nurse, but momma did not want to stand for it. My husband held her and he nursed a little and she didnt fight but as soon as we let her go, she walks away. He just wants to sleep but i go out there and we help him nurse a little here and there, he latches on and drinks for about 5-10 seconds, thats all. is this enough? what else can i do for him and momma? She is a first freshener by the way. This is my first time dealing with anything like this, all my goats have always had perfect births, but i knew it would come one day. I just need to know im doing all i can do and on the right track? at least it is warm here, i dont have to worry with the baby being to cold. I also want to start momma on antibiotics since i had to go in her, but im not sure what to do here because i had her on pen G for 7 days after i got her, which was feb14. so is it ok to start the pen G again? or should i switch to a different antibiotic? If you read all that, Thank you! haha, and any advice would be really helpful right now :sigh: oh i WILL GET PICTURES THIS TIME! hes a pretty pretty NuMancha baby...elf ears with the roman nubian head, too too cute! and his name is LUCKY!