Nais is No More

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by wookiee, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. wookiee

    wookiee New Member

    Oct 26, 2009
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    I heard! :leap: itsn that awesome

    I just hope that it doesnt cut down on people going to shows in other states and buying and selling out of state as well.

  3. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    :thumbup: :leap: :applaud: :wahoo:
  4. WarPony

    WarPony New Member

    Jan 31, 2010
    This is really a relief for me. I am very cautious about what new system they will come up with to replace it but I am soooo glad to see that they have scrapped this particular version of the plan.
  5. Dreamchaser

    Dreamchaser New Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Camp Verde, AZ
    I'm a bit sceptical. What else do they have up their sleeve? I don't think this has gone away, just set aside for now. ;P Also, interstate? Oh man that might really make it hard for me. There are far too few alpines in this state anyway. Grrr....
  6. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Terrific news.......... :leap: :cool: :clap: :dance: :wahoo:
  7. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NAIS was going to make any kind of travel hard anyway -- so really its not going to be much different then that I would think. But basically I just hope that health certificates and tattoos will be enough for identification.

    that miniature goat registry might be getting more business if something like that goes into play
  8. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
  9. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
  10. WarPony

    WarPony New Member

    Jan 31, 2010
    My big issue was the record keeping they wanted to require. According to the paperwork i got from Uncle Sam a while ago explaining how it would eventually work... every single time I took my horses off my property for any reason i would need to file a report. Well, some days i take the ponies each for a walk around the block. When i inquired if i would need to report that they said yes, otherwise I would be in violation of federal law. Can you imagine that?

    I really am suspicious about what new thing they hope to put into place, but I just hope their big plans aren't as far fetched as the previous ones.
  11. wookiee

    wookiee New Member

    Oct 26, 2009
    Agreed, they may come up with another scheme, but it will not be under the NAIS name and 1) It will be voluntary and 2) it will not target small farmers.

    This is a major win. There's already many laws in place governing intestate traffic that are not or under enforced, such as health certificates. I live in New Hampshire and bought my goats in Maine. I did not have a health certificate to drive them home. I also show horses in Mass, Maine, CT, VT and I do not get a health certificate for each trip. I know, I know, I am a bad person, but the fact remains that if we even enforced the rules we already had, we wouldn't need NAIS.

    Additionally, NAIS targeted non-food animals for registration where any new scheme might actually be focused on disease tracking in food animals and not just a financial burden to anyone with personal livestock or companion animals.

    Any new system will give states a choice on how to manage data and if they want, to hold it federally. Again, no Federal central warehouse of data.

    Look, I understand that to export meat to other countries, we need more accountability. I am a small farmer and raise my own meat, I know what goes on in the industrial food complex. But NAIS was turned into much more than that and it looks like The Powers That Be are refocusing the effort to actually help track disease and not diminish our liberties. There very well may be another system that replaces NAIS, but just by stating they are not targeting small farmers and its voluntary is a HUGE philosophical change.

    I seriously can't believe it. :stars:

    Excerpt from the FAQ:
    Q: Will the size of my herd have any relation to the
    standards I must meet?
    A. Producers who raise animals and move them
    within a State, Tribal Nation, or to local markets, as
    well as to feed themselves, their families, and their
    neighbors are not part of USDA’s framework’s scope
    and focus.

    Q: Is the new framework mandatory for all owners
    of animals?
    A. No. USDA will not mandate a one-size-fi ts-all
    approach to animal disease traceability. The system
    will not be mandatory in the sense that all producers
    are required to participate or that all States and Tribal
    Nations must implement one approach.
  12. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

    Oct 19, 2009
  13. Idahodreamer

    Idahodreamer Senior Member

  14. Dreamchaser

    Dreamchaser New Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Camp Verde, AZ
    This came acros in my Yahoo groups cart goats newsletter:

    It took me 2 times of reading it to grasp the full intent and I have
    been reading their documents for the past 5 years! One thing those of
    us who have been at this since the beginning have learned is that the
    USDA is very clever with their wording. We've been through this in the
    past, where article after article and even farming organizations
    declared "NAIS is dead", only to have the USDA switch their tactics and
    come back full steam ahead with NAIS.
    We knew last summer (after the USDA Listening Sessions) that they were
    going to rename NAIS and morph it into something to do with disease
    tracking. We just didn't know what they would rename it to. Now we
    know. They even changed their entire NAIS website after midnight last
    night. I was going back and forth making sure all the old documents
    were saved when all of a sudden I got flashed to a new website titled
    Traceability. The new URL is:
    Regarding horses:
    * If you travel across state lines, this WILL affect you if you own any
    of the 30+ species the USDA classifies as "livestock", which includes
    horses. I also read in one of the many documents/articles/press
    releases issues yesterday that this will include semen, embryos and
    germplasm (fertilized eggs).
    * Since early last summer, the USDA has been talking about changing the
    coggins testing rules to a federal rule instead of a state rule. They
    proposed changing it to requiring it 1) upon transferring ownership of
    the horse and 2) for traveling across state lines. EIA would then
    become a federal disease program, which will automatically put horses
    into this program.
    The last point I wish to make is that the major USDA players in this
    scheme effectively convinced Congress this program was a necessity so it
    is not likely to go away. I listened to Dr. Ron DeHaven, CEO of the
    American Veterinary Medical Assoc, testify on behalf of NAIS to the
    House Agriculture Committee last March - do not underestimate his
    influence with politicians and do not underestimate his tactics. He and
    Dr. Clifford (USDA vet) repeatedly lied and deliberately misled these
    Congressmen. To say those of us who witnessed it were shocked is
    putting it mildly. He has Collin Peterson (Chair of the House Ag
    Committee) and David Scott (Chair of the House Subcommittee on
    Livestock, Poultry and Dairy) right in his pocket. If that isn't bad
    enough, the tag/microchip/software technology companies who helped hatch
    the NAIS scheme have poured tons on money into the campaign coffers of
    members of the House and Senate Ag Committees.
    As I said yesterday, this is far from "over".
  15. wookiee

    wookiee New Member

    Oct 26, 2009
    While I agree that this is far from over, perhaps I am a bit confused.

    The FAQ did not address horses specifically, but it covers the transport of animals across state lines for "commerce". I don't know if that includes showing or other recreation. Coggins (and health certificates) are already required to cross state lines (and to show, incidentally). Not that it makes it ok, but this is not new.

    Also, the FAQ does address the "microchip" requirements and how individual breeds with identification systems in place will not get a one size fits all (e.g., chipping) requirement.

    Plus, it's voluntary.

    I would also agree that disease traceability is important and necessary. But instead of looking at the problem where the big producers were contaminating the hamburger like they should of, NAIS focused on the little guys while giving breaks to the Tysons, the Beef Products, etc. Now it seems that if the big guys flood the world with e-coli, we should have a way to trace it back to the source and force those guys to clean up their act!

    Believe me, I don't trust the USDA any farther than I could throw them, but I do think this represents a significant change in philosophy. Am I misunderstanding something? Maybe I am too optimistic. :shrug:
  16. Well here is hoping for the best!
  17. Dreamchaser

    Dreamchaser New Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Camp Verde, AZ
    I'm not sure. I'm trying to figure that out myself. I'm just relaying the message just in case there is something more to this. I don't trust them AT ALL not to pull something over on us.
  18. wookiee

    wookiee New Member

    Oct 26, 2009
    Agreed. And I am usually the big skeptic and cynic.

    It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Thanks for the information!
  19. WarPony

    WarPony New Member

    Jan 31, 2010
    This is the part of the original quote that makes me nervous: "* be implemented transparently through federal regulations and the full rulemaking process."

    What does that even mean? "transparently"? Does that mean they won't try to hide sneaky little laws? Isn't that supposed to be how they were doing things all along? I dunno, it puts me on edge that they felt the need to point that out. Like they are waving around a big neon light saying "we are going to do everything right where you can see it!" while they send their little minions around behind our backs to pass laws while we are distracted by the light show.

    I sound paranoid but it is what they have been trying to do for years. Why would we expect any different now?
  20. Dreamchaser

    Dreamchaser New Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Camp Verde, AZ
    LOL, I wonder if the correct definition is that they want US to be transparent... Big brother wants ultimate control anyway. He wants to know EVERYTHING we are doing. Nevermind that they have their own secrets that are far more devious than we could ever come up with.

    I'm sure it will have something to do with "Homeland Security."