Need some advice on changinf some things around here

Discussion in 'Mini Mania' started by sixshooterfarm, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. sixshooterfarm

    sixshooterfarm New Member

    580
    Oct 18, 2007
    Valley Springs, Ca
    Ok so I am wanting some pros and cons on big herds and small herds and what is the perfect number. I have 33 does and 12 bucks. I am sooooo tired of all the feed I go through I am soooo tired of the health problems too. It seems like something is always happening. So I am wanting to dowsize as you can tell. I am tired of having a herd of some nice and some so so animals, I want a small herd of excellent animals. DOes this all make sence? What do you all think? And please please look at my website, and I know you guys cant touch my animals and really tell their conformation, but by pedigree and what you can see in pictures who should I cull and who should I keep?? Please help! I trust all your guys advice dont be afraid to "hack" away at my herd, you wont hurt my feelings!
     
  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    I don't blame you at all for downsizing ....we have all done it..........or........ are in the process right now.................I cannot give you advice on the Nigerians..........what is good....... or what is bad.......but someone else will ... :) .........Sorry I couldn't help........ :(
     

  3. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    Pictures can always be so deceiving! So this is a hard one....From what I can see on the pics...

    My least favorite bucks:Simple Pleasure's Santino and Shooting Star Dom Parignon

    Favorite bucks: Everwood RR Flash (nice pedigree, good looking) Dill Pickles Court Jester (same as other buck) and Sweet Briar Cottage Romeo (real nice looking buck!)

    Least favorite does: Shooting star lola, Skywalker, Starbucks Eureka (she seems a little to coby and short bodied from the picture)

    Favorite does: Sartain left at lompico, Lily of the valley, Sassafrass, Wish you a merry christmas,

    Jr. Does least fav.: Jaina

    Jr. Does fav.: Camelot

    Hope this helps a little! Good luck with your upcoming sales. You have some gorgeous goats!
     
  4. FunnyRiverFarm

    FunnyRiverFarm New Member

    Sep 13, 2008
    Hudson, MI
    I can see how that many goats could easily be overwhelming...Personally I think 15-20 goats is a good number...I don't think I could ever have more than that unless I was a full-time goat farmer (I wish...lol).

    Anyway, I'll take a look at your website and post more later...
     
  5. Muddy Creek Farm

    Muddy Creek Farm New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Keokuk, Iowa
    Looking strictly at pedigrees and their offspring's accomplishments (photos took too long to load) I saw alot of the same pedigrees mother daughter and stuff so I chose the pedigree I liked more, and SOME photos I did get to see. Good Luck!

    I would keep
    Mayflower
    Fortune
    Demeanor
    Fiona
    Sassafras
    Moonbeam
    Nikki
    CowGirl
    Lola
    Dotty
    Camelot
    X-Mas

    Bucks
    Romeo
    Santino
    Jester
     
  6. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    i have 13.. but i would think 15 is a great number. three or four bucks and the rest does.. and then you've always got room to keep babies if you want

    you know i love my two girls up there.. haha little biased, and i love lilly and minuet, and christmas,and lola, and well i could go on..
     
  7. capriola-nd

    capriola-nd New Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northwest Oregon
    Re: Need some advice on changing some things around here

    A good sized herd to me is about 12-15 goats. . . . no more than two bucks, maybe, just maybe three (but that's just me). ;)

    My favorite bucks of yours are:
    Romeo (he looks the best to me)
    Court Jester
    Santino

    Favorite does:
    Minuet
    Cowgirl
    Zippy Nikki
    Lily of the Valley
    Sassafras
    Fiona
    Graceful Demeanor
    Wheel of Fortune
    Mayflower
    Wish you a merry x-mas
    Camelot (jr. doe)
    Jaina ??
     
  8. jordan

    jordan Fall Creek Farm

    52
    Nov 22, 2007
    Wisconsin
    25 goats would be my ideal number. You are right about health issues seeming to become an issue when you go over 30! Not to mention the feed costs if you aren't growing your own hay!
    OK. Bearing in mind that the pics are poor (not set up and hairy)...
    It is not possible to help you much with the does because there are no udder pics up and since that is one of the most important things to evaluate, without them I'm basing it purely on conformation and pedigree.
    liked
    Minuet
    Lola
    Crystal Cowgirl
    Lompico
    Fiona (the most dairy of the group)
    Sangria (for the Willow Creek genetics)
    Graceful Demeanor (also dairy looking)
    Merry Christmas (for the pedigree alone)
    Wheel of fortune
    Mayflower (for the pedigree)

    On the fence
    Sandy II
    Lily of the Valley
    Moonbeam
    Spirit of Hope (don't like conformation but some good points on pedigree)
    Eureka - nice old pedigree with good udder genetics but she lacks dairy character (I'd probably keep her as a brood doe)

    Don't like
    Fantasia (looks rough)
    Nikki (no dairy character)
    Skywalker
    Sassafras (no dairy character)
    Nutmeg Spice (poor udder genetics in this pedigree)

    Can't really critique Romeo because I really dislike Promisedland and Sugar Creek (their animals tend to go over height too and he looks like he is/will be)
    Santino - really don't care for this one (posty and not balanced)
    Miracles Happen - though I like his Ponders End pedigree, extremely steep rumped when the legs are placed correctly, his legs have to be set waaay back to level out that rump.
    Court Jester - weak in the pasterns
    El Dorado - don't care for this one, appears hocky and narrow
    Flash - can't tell a thing by the pic and find Twin Creeks a little too inconsistant in what they produce to make a judgement on his potential without udder pics of his kids. Probably worth keeping long enough to see though.
    Obsidian - a keeper based on pedigree alone
    Knight Ryder - very good on the top of his pedigree, the bottom of pedigree is average/poor
    Hercules is the most dairy looking buck of the bunch
    Dom - don't care for this buck

    I'd evaluate the juniors based on the seniors.
    Hope this helps
    Lois
    http://www.fallcreekfarm.net
     
  9. artsy_farmgirl

    artsy_farmgirl Goat Fancier

    39
    Feb 29, 2008
    Florida
    I am not an expert on nigerians but I do like to look at all breeds, so I have made a list of which goats in your herd I like the best(and a few that I am not sure of, because of the pictures mainly, but liked enough to mention). I would love to see udder photos, without them it was hard to decide(and without a picture I didn't judge). Hope it's some help. :)

    Bucks:
    Romeo
    Court Jester
    Flash

    Does:
    Minuet
    Lola
    Crystal Cowgirl
    Fantasia
    Lily of The Valley
    Lompico
    Moonbeam
    Spirit of Hope
    Wish U A Merry X-mas
    Fiona
    Sangria
    Mayflower
    Dotty
    Honeybun
    Camelot(unsure, she is still young but a very pretty kid)
    Eureka(unsure, I like her even though she is a little cobby)
    Nutmeg Spice(unsure, her pose is a little awkward but nicely marked)
    Sandy(unsure, hard to judge by her pose)
     
  10. kelebek

    kelebek New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    South Texas
    Sixshooter -

    I am by no means an expert on confirmation - but i will take a look at your stock and see let you know what I like and would look at keeping - but I think that you got alot of good advice above!

    As far as herd size - with the cost of feed and then having so many, it is harder on the husbandry side. One because you don't have as much one on one so you don't notice the little signs as fast, but two - it can spread through so many more and then it is so much more work.

    I really like where I have my herd and expect to never go over 20. I think that is a pretty good number and I tend to hover between 15-25 during kidding seasons.

    Take care!
     
  11. I see that you show. I would start by taking a really good look at the does who have done well in the show ring first. Then look at all the others to try and see how a judge would compare them to you best winning does. Take a notepad with you to write notes about each one and be very critical. Then compare milking stats, your website states that you are raising for show and milk in the pail......keep the one who are the best at doing that and possibly thier doelings.
     
  12. Amy Goatress

    Amy Goatress New Member

    728
    Oct 1, 2008
    We have 49 goats right now, we had 72 goats. We raise Mini-Nubians, we had 36 bucks at one time, not sure on the does but we had more bucks than does though.
     
  13. Now that is a LOT of bucks :shocked:
     
  14. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    I definatly know the feeling. Any given year i keep four milking does five kids two dry yearlings and two bucks. This is a perfect number for me. As i do hand milk and bottle raise. Every year i get a new buck and every year i get rid of a buck. having such a small herd this works well as i can keep a buck for two years, by that time i have several kids have seen a couple of udders out of him and have a heavy influence from him in my herd.
    The feed bill stays mostly manageable. Which i know from working at a feed store things are going up a lot right now. and not looking like thay are going to come down anytime soon.
    Obsidian by far is my favorite buck of yours. He has an awsome pedigree and is a nice looking boy himself.
    I like romeo next, he does apear to dip a bit in the chine but i think its because he has his feet up on the pallet. He has very nice shoulders smooth tight and sharp through the withers.
    I like flash as well though he is a bit hard to see under that hair i think he has a lot of potential.
    I like perignon as well. i like his head neck and front end assembly.
    youre does area little harder i like, xmas, demeanor, fiona, cowgirl and minuet, based on pedigress and pictures.
    for jr. does i like dotty, camelot, and honeynun.
    beth
     
  15. sixshooterfarm

    sixshooterfarm New Member

    580
    Oct 18, 2007
    Valley Springs, Ca
    Well thank you all for your great advice! That is really helpful to have someone elses eyes look at my goats cause of course its hard to see my own goats faults lol. ok so here is what I am thinking by all your guys votes

    Bucks:

    Jesse
    Romeo
    Hercules
    Flash
    Dom
    Ob
    night rider
    (yes yes I know I know more bucks than I need lol)

    Does:

    Fiona
    Minuet
    Honeybun
    Sangria ( just cause I like her as a brood doe)
    Eureka ( I need to update her pic, when she first got brought home in that pic she was probably 20 pounds over weight)
    Mayflower
    Fortune
    Sassy
    Crystal
    X-mas
    Demeanor
    Lompico
    lola
    lilly
    moon
    hope
    chamomile ( not pictured but does great in the show ring)
    Corona( again not pictured but is an awsome little doe)
    and dotty( purley cause I like her genetics)


    So I think it is a good start, I mean that would make 12 goats up for sale that I could let go of this very second. My buck el dorado and happy I will breed to several does and then let go of, el dorado is bred to like 10 does so thats not a problem, happy I will throw in with some girls. SO do you all think this is a good start??
     
  16. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    I think you're off to an excellent start! It's so hard choosing which ones have to go!! I would have a heck of a time choosing.... :roll: .....I like them all!
     
  17. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    sounds pretty good to me

    i'm still kinda interested in one of coalettes does
     
  18. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    You are definately off to a good start....and I'm sure you will be "whittling down" again when all those babies start coming, I think you made some very good choices on who to keep.
     
  19. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    yes .........definitely off to a real good start ......thanks to everyone's help..........now you ...do know which ones you can sell now...... :) :hug: Happy.... sells........ to you..... :thumbup:
     
  20. sixshooterfarm

    sixshooterfarm New Member

    580
    Oct 18, 2007
    Valley Springs, Ca
    I am soooooo ready to downsize, I have 3 sick goats quarentined in the side yard..... dont know whats wrong with them just yet....... they look good, all fuzzy and bouncy, and then you get your hands on them...too skinney..... I am so sick and tired of not finding them till something is wrong. I mean I guess I cant say sick, they are happy and bouncing just skinney, I feel like the horrible breeders I always complain about not taking care of their goats....... :sigh: :sigh: