[ksalvagno]

The wheat germ and flax is fine. You can skip the safflower oil.

 

[Dayna]

The wheat germ and flax is fine. You can skip the safflower oil.

I don't really have access to wheat germ and flax. I do have access to fresh coconut and mac nut oil. Would mac nut oil or mac nut pulp (left overs from making mac nut oil I feed that to my chickens) work?

 

[ksalvagno]

I don't know. Goathiker would be a good one to ask.

 

[happybleats]

if you cant get the flax and wheat germ, try the safflower oil...Im not sure either about the Mac nut pulp, But as Karen Said, I bet Goathiker can give some answeres there, I would think a little in mideration would be good...Also, I bet Peanut butter would be fine..I have read where folks are buying it by the drums to feed cows...Be sure however it is just peanuts and maybe salt..no hydrogentated oils added...

On the test, if mom has CAE, kids will have it if she nursed them... with Johnes and I believe the whole herd would have been exposed and there for has a chance to have it as well..CL is contagious through the spread of puss...

 

[BCG]

This?

http://www.amazon.com/REPLAMIN-GEL-300CC/dp/B003LY073C/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384876750&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=replenamin

I will see if our local feed store has it, if not I can order it.

I, again, have done fecals. I have done fecals on the same schedule that the eggs hatch. lol She does not have a worm problem. I wish she did, as I could just worm her and fix the problem!

What about liver fluke. Fecal exams are not reliable in testing for fluke infection. You need to blood test for best results.

 

[Dayna]

The lab was very helpful. I will be drawing blood this weekend.

As far as liver fluke is concerned that's a good call. I can try treating with ivomec plus since that seems to be the current treatment.

 

[Dayna]

Well I just looked and valbazen is used to treat liver fluke, and Cloud has been treated with Valbazen previously (three times in a row) so wouldn't Valbazen have treated the liver fluke if she had that?

 

[happybleats]

Yes ..it would have taken care of Liver fluke...how long ago was she treated?

 

[Dayna]

It's been a few months. I went ahead and just treated the whole herd just now with Valbazen. I'll treat again in 10 days, then another 10 days.

We do have liver fluke here. I've found it in rabbits! Since it's so muddy and wet here I'm going to assume they have liver fluke.

I am however going to test Cloud for those three diseases still. I have a bad feeling about the results and it's better to find out now rather than later. When I grabbed her, her body was so creaky and crunchy...

 

[audrey]

Her abdomen looks rather, droopy? I wonder if she doestn have something internal like cancer or something. Do you feel any weird masses in there?

 

[Dayna]

Her abdomen looks rather, droopy? I wonder if she doestn have something internal like cancer or something. Do you feel any weird masses in there?

You know, that is one thing I have not even thought to consider. And a good point to bring up.

She has had a droopy belly since I got her, along with a droopy back. Her abdomen is always pretty big and hard so I don't think I'd know if anything felt off.

Something for me to consider if all the tests are negative. If it ends up being something like that, there really is nothing I can do.

 

[audrey]

Its always something I am concerned about with light skinned animals they are at such a high risk.

 

[BCG]

The "creaky body" makes me think selenium deficiency. Has she had a BOSE shot since you've had her?

 

[Dayna]

She has not. That is not an option.

 

[happybleats]

if BoSe is not avaibable..try Selenium Vit E gel from the TSC or local supply store?

 

[Dayna]

Good idea, I will order some tonight. LOL My hubby is going to get a surprise of boxes at the post office.

 

[Dayna]

Oh and I don't want to sound like some jerk.

BoSe and other things are not options due to a couple factors.

1. Dog and Cat vet in Hilo. I live in Keaau, major road construction so I'm looking at a 45 minute drive into hilo with a jeep wrangler to see a dog and cat vet that charges $100-$120 for a test like CL/CAE. Imgaine what BoSe costs?

2. Large animal vet in Waimea. Waimea is a 2 hour drive from me. He's great, but gas is $4.00 a gallon and I get 16 miles to the gallon. Expensive vet visit. I can pay to have him come out to me, but the minimum is about $200 not counting any vetting. Just to get him here.

Vetting is only an option on stuff dog/cat vets can diagnose and frankly smaller goats and only if I have no other option. I have to be able to do most stuff on my own or euthanize the animal.

 

[happybleats]

I understand the cost...Im our own vet here too...and my vet is only 12 miles away and capable when it comes to goats lol..but money talks! I rather by another bag of feed if I can vet them myself...

 

[BCG]

There are selenium bolus available for sheep and goats. They last 3 years. 25 for $22. scbt.com/animal_health

 

[nchen7]

i'm totally in your boat, Dayna. :hug: Except I have mediocre vets that laugh at me and suggestions I've learned on this forum and places like Fiasco Farms.

As for coconut, I give my girls leftover coconut pulp when I make milk at home. they love it. I would think coconut oil would be good as top dress too since it's easier for you to get there than the other oils.