Oak trees, leaves, and acorns

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by pennylullabelle, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    We are moving in April to 5 acres with about a dozen or so mature oak tress. They are all dormant so I couldn't really determine what kind they are just yet. But the ground is naturally covered in leaves and acorns from the trees. Will it be harmful if my goats eat these? I think I read somewhere that fallen leaves, acorns, and even branches or bark were fine. But green/live leaves were a no go for some reason?
     
  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California

  3. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    I had seen both lists given in the thread. One says it's fine, other says it's highly poisonous. Ugh! The goat area will be sectioned away from most of the trees and that should help. They will also have hay 24/7 as well. There are oaks all over CA...as well as goats...
     
  4. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    Boy, I hope they aren't poisonous. My whole property is covered in oak and maple. I know choke cherry isn't okay and we plan to cut those down... I don't want to have to clear the whole forest.... :sigh:
     
  5. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    I am finding a lot of mixed information. I've been studying for hours. But from what I can find it's about moderation. Acorns can be the biggest problem because they have hard shells and can cause discomfort and even tearing in the lining. I plan to rake and bag up as much as I can. The leaves of mature trees, green or dead, are not a problem. Neither is a bark. But young trees and their buds can be an issue. But again...some goats eat oak their whole lives and do just fine. Others don't. I guess I really won't know until we get established there! But I am going to to clear as much as I can so they don't gorge on what's out there. If they are introduced slowly or try them and don't like them it should go better then just turning them out to the last few years' worth of fallen acorns and leaves and having them eat them all!
     
  6. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    Moony has been rooting around in the snow to pick out acorns :-x I'm hoping since she came from a place with a large # of oak trees, that she's eaten them and has some sort of tolerance then.
     
  7. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    How long have you had her? Does she have access to hay all the time?

    I would assume if it's been a while and she eats mostly hay that you will be just fine. I found one farmer who intentionally feeds his sheep and goats on his pasture that has hundreds of oak trees. He lives in CA. He has a few horses out there too and claims the acorns are good roughage with vitamins and minerals in the shells and protein in the seeds. Not so bad right?

    But, this is coming from a gal who didn't know a thing just a few hours ago! I've been blowing up Google and reading every account I can find. I have 2 horses too, as well as 2 dogs. So, I want to make sure everyone will be safe. But there are millions of sheep, goats, horses and dogs in CA. And hundreds of thousands of oak trees!
     
  8. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    I've had her for a few weeks now. Yes, they have hay 24/7 and get a little grain twice a day. They've been chowing down white pine like it's going out of style. They love that crap. lol Moony hasn't found many acorns... but there are 3 mature oaks covering the chicken run for shade, so I'm sure there are more. Our turkey loved them, but I doubt he ate them all.
     
  9. myfainters

    myfainters New Member

    Oct 29, 2009
    Lancaster, CA
    Some goats can tolerate Oaks without any problems while others will get toxicity poisoning immediately. It just depends on the goat. Acorns I believe are perfectly fine for them though.... it is the leaves that will kill them.
     
  10. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    From what I've read, of the 40 something varieties of oak...white is one of the ones that hasn't been leaked to any poisoning cases. So, you may be safe there!

    Jess - how odd, I've read the opposite...acorns would cause a toxic reaction if anything, and leaves are fine...hmmm
     
  11. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Where I live its all pine and oak

    goats eat the leaves like candy and the acorns the same way -- never an issue in 13 years

    I have never even heard of an issue before -- some will say it was the acorns then later find out something else was actually wrong with the goat which caused the sickness or death
     
  12. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    I've got white and red oak here. Like Stacey, I've never heard of anything not being able to eat oak leaves/nuts. Cherry yes, but not oak. Oak, Birch, Poplar, Maple, Sassafras and straight up Bull Pine should be fine I'd think. I've got quite a selection here. The ladies aren't too fond of bull pine, but they love the white.

    Oh also... dunno if it's in your area, but we have Nightshade here. On one side of the property. It's poisonous to livestock, I've read, so look for that too.
     
  13. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    lmao @ FiascoFarms plant list... am I reading this right?

    Manzanita (Arctostaphylos)
    Maple Trees, leaves & bark - (goats will readily strip the bark and kill the tree)
    Marijuana-in moderation
    Mesquite

    Someone is feeding weed to their goats? LOL
     
  14. Lawanda

    Lawanda New Member

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    West Virginia
    LOL Weed grows naturally in some places ;) hehehe
     
  15. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Yes, it does grow "wild" in some areas.....not a good thing for those that have goats or other livestock where it grows naturally.
     
  16. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    I have a good friend who tells a cute story about Marijuana growing naturally in parts of CA. When her mother first came here from Brazil she moved onto a little homestead in CA. There was this bug green leafy flowering bush outside her driveway. So, everyday she would water it and tend to it. Months and months go by and a patrolling offiver sees her out front pruning the bush and throwing away the clippings. Thinking it was odd he stops and says "excuse me ma'am, but do you realize you are tending a Marijuana bush?"..."WHAT!?"

    hahahaha :ROFL:

    Thanks for responding everyone. It definitely seems like most of the reports I have read on toxic reactions the oak was either "assumed" to be the culprit or the goats had no access to anything else so they ate nothing but oak leaves and acorns in place of feed. I feel like we are going to be fine :)
     
  17. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    I would only assume it was "wild" because no one wanted to claim the crop lol
     
  18. dvfreelancer

    dvfreelancer New Member

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    Aug 15, 2009
    My goats eat acorns and oak leaves without any obvious problems, except it really annoys the squirrels. And the crunching noise they make will spoil your audio in a video production (long story).

    The only trees my goats have ever killed were ones small enough for them to lay on and get the leaves down near the ground.

    I wonder if goats get stoned off weed? That's just what I'd need.
     
  19. SterlingAcres

    SterlingAcres Member

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    Oct 19, 2009
    :ROFL:
     
  20. pennylullabelle

    pennylullabelle New Member

    If they do, maybe my does in heat will be quieter!!