Sorry I've been away for so long, everyone. Last week we had a loss, our first (and only) baby born here to date. Kachina was 75 lbs at 5 months old and just as gorgeous as her mom. Our LGD, Tuteur, is an excellent guardian even though she's a bit of a dufus still at 16 months old. Our pasture is surrounded by all electric fence....except for the part that borders our backyard. The backyard is fenced with field fencing. Tuteur lets no animals cross her line to get to her babies. About a month ago we opened up the back pasture (bordering the back yard) to rotate the pastures. The goats got fat and happy. On the way up to the barn one night, with Tuteur leading the way, baby Kachina decided to eat weeds through the backyard fence and got her horns stuck. Our backyard pets were a rottweiler (old and lazy) and a great dane/bulldog cross. The great dane mauled our baby's head that was on his side of the fence. We got to her and rushed her to the vet, but it was too late to save her. It was horrible and had she lived she would have lost her right eye. Our LGD had led the rest of the herd to the barn and then returned to sit beside the doeling as she was still stuck in the fence. She followed dh as he carried the baby to our car, whimpering the whole time. Tuteur never barked or growled at the great dane (who was standing by just admiring his handy work with blood all over him when we arrived). She stayed with the baby but never tried to protect her. I realized it's because she considered our backyard dogs part of her herd as well, but Tuteur hung her head. I guess I thought this may help somebody else who has dogs besides their LGD's. The fault was mine, not my Pyr's. She was confused on what she should do. We put the dane down at the vet as soon as we buried our doeling. The kids cried for the loss of their baby and the dog. So, we bought them a new dog. We got Tuteur's litter mate, Berger (Bearjee in french. She's more mature than Tuteur and does not leave the goats for two seconds, nor will she allow any strange thing to enter "her" pasture. The only good outcome from all of this is that Tuteur is suddenly even more alert and protective of her herd, the two Pyrs working together is the most awesome thing I have ever seen, and the goats now cling to them. If they get scared, they all run to the Pyrs. I have learned that an LGD will accept a "pet" dog on the property as part of the herd and not protect the herd from them once accepted. :tears: I miss my baby doeling, who chased my daughter daily around the pasture. I lost her because of my total stupidity.