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Okay, really weird question here, but are there any other reasons anyone can think of for feeling movement on a doe's belly, besides pregnancy?
I have an Alpine doe who kidded late this March with twin does. She was purchased by my parents in early June, along with her two doelings. This morning, when milking her, my mom noticed that there was movement on the doe's belly, and when she felt the doe's side, there was a push against her hand. Apparently, it happened multiple times. We started to think it over, and she is a bit bigger than when we got her, she eats a lot more now, and she kind of suddenly dropped in her milk production from over half a gallon a day last week to one quart today. I'd think pregnancy, but Alpines are seasonal, so is there anything else it could be or has she bred out of season? We're newbies here, so this would be our first pregnant doe and we aren't sure what to look for.
 

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My Dad bought a doe & her two kids, as our first goats. They had been pets & they were very friendly & happy. We noticed they were getting fat & Dad said I was feeding too much. After several months, we were shocked when all three gave birth! We didn’t “know nothing bout birthin’ no babies”!!! That was 3 years ago & I’m wiser. Loo
 

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Some does didn't get the seasonal breeding memo. I bred an Alpine doe in May, 2 years ago. She kidded in Oct. ( one of those if you aren't bred, you are sold does!) A lot of the 4-H kids want Jan 1 kids, so some people breed at the end of July or early Aug.

She could be preg. Or, she could have an active rumen and be coming into heat, dropping her production.
 

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I found out when my Alpines and Oberhaslis got pregnant in the early summer that sometimes if the summer is especially rainy and cloudy (making the sky dark with lack of sunshine) this made my girls brain believe it was fall and they all started cycling! I had kids in November and early December!!! It has happened a couple of times since, but I learned the first time and make sure the buck is far away and I watch for heat signs all spring/summer if it's been a rainy season.
 

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I am so sorry for the late reply! I'm in college right now, so things got a little hectic, and I didn't get any notifications for this thread! To respond to some of the questions, the does and bucks share a fence line because all the goat owners we've met have said fenceline-sharing is okay, although it is something we plan on changing because we've noticed it taints the milk. Also, the doe has had contact with my 5-6 month old bucks when the girls broke into the boys' enclosure in ~July. I don't remember them showing any interest in the girls though; they were mostly upset because the girls were trashing the place! She could have had contact with some bucks, though, before we purchased her as they seemed to be housed close together. Now the movement has gotten harder and larger. Back when I posted this, my mom said it was like a tiny nudge, but now it's a firm pushing occasionally, much larger too. They have not had her tested yet because we don't have livestock vets nearby and my mom, who is usually our needle person, is a little skittish of blood draws, but we're working on it. Her milk production is down to less than a pint.
I'm posting some pics to show what she looks like from the top now. She's not too big, I don't think, but she's also a big goat. The circle shows where my mom kept feeling and now seeing movement.
 

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I found out when my Alpines and Oberhaslis got pregnant in the early summer that sometimes if the summer is especially rainy and cloudy (making the sky dark with lack of sunshine) this made my girls brain believe it was fall and they all started cycling! I had kids in November and early December!!! It has happened a couple of times since, but I learned the first time and make sure the buck is far away and I watch for heat signs all spring/summer if it's been a rainy season.
Thanks for the reply! I wasn't sure it was even possible with seasonal goats unless there was some massive light manipulation or something, so it's good to know that even something as mundane as weather can cause it.
 

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Oh, and my parents decided to go for some old homemade testing routes they looked up with trying to put her urine in bleach and on dandelion leaves(???) and got a negative for both of them, so they're back to square one and aren't sure if it's just large rumen movements on the right side or something?
 

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If you can post a photo of her backside while she is standing and with tail naturally up, we may be able to hazard a guess as to bred or not based on the shape of her vulva. But no the bleach test is not a reliable answer.
It's dark out right now, so the best my parents could get for tonight was this. What should we be looking for?
 

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Ya those photos I can't quite tell, the tail needs to be up naturally, not held. But best guess based on those is not bred. Looking for a relaxing and looseness surrounding the tail head, a poofy and loose vulva, general soft stretched out appearance, and typically the tip of the vulva pointed downwards.
 

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Ya those photos I can't quite tell, the tail needs to be up naturally, not held. But best guess based on those is not bred. Looking for a relaxing and looseness surrounding the tail head, a poofy and loose vulva, general soft stretched out appearance, and typically the tip of the vulva pointed downwards.
Thanks for the tips! It's weird with her because she hits on some of the potential symptoms of pregnancy but some not, so I ordered a pregnancy test to be sent to my parents' house for her. It's a urine test, not a blood test, so less accurate, but I'm going to hold that as the final answer. Thanks so much for the reply!
 
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