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In an article I read a DVM suggested that anyone starting a new herd or adding a newcomer should test for BRUCELLOSIS, CAE, CL, JOHNE'S, and TOXOPLASMOSIS. Last I checked, along with the $64 initial exam, the GRAND TOTAL $497.00 U.S. currency. :shocked:

Although the above advice came from a DVM, I want some practical advice from real herders,

Which of these test do you consider to be an ABSOLUTE must before adding a newcomer to your herd?
 

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I ONLY buy from clean herds. So, if they have any of the above diseases I won't buy from them. I am only testing for CAE this year, because I have a young herd that comes from tested herds.
 

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Well, Chelsey, You say you only buy from clean herds. How are you 100% that they are clean? Just asking.
Here they say if you buy from clean herds, the only way you know they are clean herds is if you SEE the results from the test yourself, and you see the results from the animals you are purchasing. They can not be a old test, but I do not know how old they can be.

Here some of us require people to have a CAE, CL, and Johne's test, and they have to be no older then two month old.

I know of some people that show Pygmy's and they have to have all of those tests in order to show, at ever test, and they can not be older the 30 days. All but the TOXOPLASMOSIS. They do require a TB test instead.
 

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Buying from a "reputable" breeder is the ideal situation. All situations are not ideal. It would be great if all goats came with a Biosecurity screen (CAE, CL, Johne's, Brucella, Toxo) but everyone doesn't do all these test. If your herd consist of all registered ,purebred ,enobled, and titled show goats then by all means don't take ANY chances. But what about the average goat lover who happens on a goat at the sale barn, or on a hobby farm, or someone grows weary of caring for their herd and gives them away. These situations are not ideal. You may see a very nice goat among these "giveaways" what do you do if you want one?

What test do you run? All? None?

How long do you isolate this newcomer? I know you should be looking for eye discharge, abcesses, abnormal stools, feeding problems, did I forget anything?

What if you can't verify the vaccinations or testing?

What if no vaccines were given?

This is not the best scenario for buying a goat or taking freebies but if you saw a goat you really wanted ,offered by a "backyard" breeder or at the sale barn, How would you proceed?
 

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I do not vaccinate my goats, I will gladly vaccinate the goat a buyer is purchasing if they wish for them to be vaccinated. So vaccinations to me, I would really like to goat I am getting not to have vaccinations. Personal experience.

I am working on setting up a quarantine area for any new goats, it is my current project!
 

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Can you breakdown that price for me? I know vet costs are going up by leaps and bounds but that seems more than twice what I expected.
Also it is possible to draw blood and send it to labs yourself- this seems to save over 50%.
 

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What test do you run? All? None? I test for CAE when I first get an animal...I 'usually' don't test beyond that first time, because everyone on my place has already been tested; I tend to keep only CAE neg, just because you can never be sure to catch a doe kidding all the time. The positive does go to a pet home, and the bucks get wethered and sold as pets or meat. As far as the other tests...I usually don't test for anything else, unless i have to for a show. Alot of these are 'incurable' illnessess in the first place, and some will be very obvious if a goat actually is infected, so I don't test. If I ever get a herd that has fantastic bloodlines, and I have spent literally 100s of dollars on one goat, then yes, I will probably test, but for my small herd I don't think it is necessary. I worm, and vaccinate regularly, and test for CAE on a new animal that is brought in, and test otherwise only if I have to for showing reasons...I haven't had to test for any of the other ones for years. When I do it's usually Johnnes and TB that are required.

How long do you isolate this newcomer? I know you should be looking for eye discharge, abcesses, abnormal stools, feeding problems, did I forget anything? You pretty much covered what to look for; except I want to add to watch for skin problems; I delouse new comers automatically, but if you don't want to do that, just watch for excess itching, hair loss, and scaley skin. It is a good idea to take the animal's temp every few days when you first get him too, because the temperature is often going to be your first sign that something is wrong; that and not eating. I usually isolate newcomers for about 7-10 days; which is the normal timeframe for any illnessess that may show up. I try to get a vet check done on each newcomer, just to be on the safe side too, but sometimes this isn't always convenient!

What if you can't verify the vaccinations or testing? If I get an animal that the owners\sales ring cannot provide proof of vaccinations, I automatically vaccinate; same with testing for the CAE. They get their first series of vaccines before arriving home, if possible, and the next one in the 10-14 day timeframe. I worm and delouse all new comers.

What if no vaccines were given? I answered this one above...

This is not the best scenario for buying a goat or taking freebies but if you saw a goat you really wanted ,offered by a "backyard" breeder or at the sale barn, How would you proceed? I'm a sucker...two of my goaties are originally 'rescue' types; there were healthy ones available, but those two stole my heart...
 

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Here's the breakdown:

Brucella 66.50
CAE 103.00
Toxoplasmosis 79.50
CL. 84.00
Johne's 99.00
Exam 64.00
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Total 497.00

The receptionists offered info for a finance company that could help me at 22% interest :ROFL:

I thought goats were called the "Poor Mans' Cattle" :shrug:

Anyway Thanks for all the info on handling "suspect" goats.

place suspect goats on isolation/observation for a minimum of 2 weeks

delouse

deworm

vaccinate


if financially able do a complete Biosecurity Screen. ( CAE, CL, Johne's, Brucellosis, and Toxoplamosis )
 

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Boy I thought our vets were high- the combination cl/cae blood test done at UC Davis cost me $65 when done by the vet and $23 when done by a local goat association. I haven't done the others so don't know but I'd check around - I bet someone can and will do it a lot cheaper.
 

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I had to seek a DVM that handles "exotic pets" to get the referrals I received. Vets that deal with anything other than dogs and cats are few and far between in Long Island, NY and goat herders are even more scarce. Some vets had higher prices than this. I'm not experienced at drawing blood so that is not a viable option at this time. Depending on where you live you sometimes have to take what you can get and work with it. :shrug:
 

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We do pretty much what has been stated above - Goats get wormer before they are unloaded, dry lotted for 12-24 hours so eggs are dropped in a dirt pen, then moved into quarantine and dusted with DE for external parasites, checked over thoroughly, temps taken, (if for no other reason to establish a baseline temp for each goat, as they vary so much), fed calming and antibiotic/antiviral herbs for first week to boost immune systems from stress of transportation. The only thing I would add is we quarantine for 30 days whenever possible. Don't test for anything unless we see something to indicate it might be needed.
We do try to buy from established breeders, but that is no guarantee - and not necessarily the breeder's fault if something goes awry.
 

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Those are great prices Chelsey, are they for your local vet in NC?

Are they for a lab I could send a blood sample to?

:idea: Maybe I could ask the vet to show me how to draw the blood. Then I could test any new arrivals myself.
 

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I don't know, I go through the vet here. Those prices include drawing blood etc.. I also want to learn how to draw blood SOMEONE (LOL) on here told me that it is really easy, so I think I will try after I watch the mobile goat vet do it. There was a whole discussion on drawing blood, here it is - viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1896
 

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oh and we don't test any goats under a year old. Doing some of the test before they are 1 is useless because some diseases won't show up until they are older.

It cost me $340 for the vet to come out to my place, draw blood for CL and Johnes on 12 goats, give my 2 LGDs their rabies shot and test for heart worms.

Those prices you quoted are ridiculous.
 
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