My daughter attends a high school with a working farm on campus. The have a small herd of assorted goats, Boer X's, La Manchas, Alpines. Lots of Boer X kids, all born this last spring. They've never looked anything like the beautiful pictures you all have posted of your goaties. :roll: The school goats, for as sweet as they are and as much as we love them, look "scrankly". The Boer X's are built a lot more like dairy goats, and not in a good way. The dairy goats look a little better, but nobody looks really good. My daughter showed her Boer X, Cosby, yesterday. Cosby's so good in the ring and my daughter knows what she's doing, but the two of them were no match for the gorgeous animals brought by other FFA and 4H kids. My daughter placed, but very low. The faulty adviser is new to goats (we are, too). He was amazed at how bad the school goats look in comparison to the others at the fair. It's time to get really serious about the goats, learn what needs to be done to get and keep them healthy, and actually get some focus on what the direction of the herd should be. I think we thought we were doing okay. Well, clearly not! So, even though we didn't do well, what we all gained in awareness is priceless. Just wanted to share. Any and all comments or advice would be welcome. :help: Anna, aka Tremayne PS. I just got some good news about one of my daughter's other fair animals: Her Broken-Tortie Holland Lop Senior Doe (rabbit) won first place in her category. :leap: Whew!