Possible CL on udder or something else?

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JML Farms

Discussion Starter · Apr 4, 2021

I have a 6 year old doe who has developed this knot on her udder. I first noticed it about three days ago. From what I’ve researched I think it could be CL. She is healthy otherwise and is currently weaning a 3 1/2 month old buckling. I have never dealt with CL before, but am planning on isolating her, lancing the abscess and flushing it with an iodine solution for three consecutive days. Followed by a topical antibiotic spray. First question is does this look like CL? And second question is what is the recommended treatment? I’ve read so much online about treatment, but like a lot of other information out there, what you read isn’t always the most accepted or current way of treating issues. So I wanted to ask other experienced goat raisers what their opinion is before I do more harm than good. I humbly thank you all in advance.

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ksalvagno

· #2 · Apr 4, 2021

I wouldn't lance it till it is close to bursting. Save pus to have tested.

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Damfino

· #3 · Apr 5, 2021

I don't think this is a place where CL abscesses occur. The lymph node is not on the udder itself but is up where it attaches. That said, it's never a bad idea to test the pus. Hopefully she just picked up a sticker or something.

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JML Farms

Discussion Starter · #4 · Apr 5, 2021

Thank you. I have her isolated from the herd and have a call in to the vet. So hopefully she can work me into her schedule. At first I thought it was due to the fact I was weaning her kids, but then got worried when it kept growing.

Debra P

· #5 · Apr 5, 2021

JML Farms said:
Thank you. I have her isolated from the herd and have a call in to the vet. So hopefully she can work me into her schedule. At first I thought it was due to the fact I was weaning her kids, but then got worried when it kept growing.

Hello, I just wanted you to know if in fact you ever have a goat come down with CL... PLEASE DON'T CULL😱 I only have goats that I rescued and that's how CL got into my herd. Look at what I wrote on CL...It can't be CURED.. some of my goat's has come down with CL..I'd drain, flush and keep them SEPERATE until it all dryer up.. but every so often I'd look for anything new...it's DRAXXIN that I injected only into the cyst.. these no good cyst literally disappeared or would turn hard.. after injecting the DRAXXIN..ITS LITERALLY BEEN 3 YEARS SINCE ANY OF MY GOATS HAVE GOTTEN A CYST☺I TRUTHFULLY CANT BELIEVE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS ANYMORE..if you know of anyone please have them read my post on CURING CL❣💜

Debra P

· #6 · Apr 5, 2021

JML Farms said:
Thank you. I have her isolated from the herd and have a call in to the vet. So hopefully she can work me into her schedule. At first I thought it was due to the fact I was weaning her kids, but then got worried when it kept growing.

😠Ohhh I hate this phone..I SAID THAT CL CAN, CAN BE CURED☺

toth boer goats

· #7 · Apr 5, 2021

That is not in an area indicated as CL.

You can have a vet look at it.
Is it soft or hard?

JML Farms

Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 5, 2021

Thank you for the responses. I did have a vet come out and look at it. He said it was CL even though he didn’t take a sample to be checked. He said he had seen enough to know. So he lanced it and since the puss had no smell and looked like cottage cheese, he was pretty certain CL. Said it was in a rare spot but does happen. Told me to flush it again with an iodine solution, keep her separated from the herd until it heals up and burn the materials we used to catch the puss with. He also said flies tend to carry the bacteria so it could have originated any where. Hope she does well. Now I have to decide what to do with her. Should I keep or get rid of her? If she kids again will her babies catch it? Now I’m worried her twins that are weaned might have it. Thoughts?

JML Farms

Discussion Starter · #9 · Apr 5, 2021

Debra P said:
Hello, I just wanted you to know if in fact you ever have a goat come down with CL... PLEASE DON'T CULL😱 I only have goats that I rescued and that's how CL got into my herd. Look at what I wrote on CL...It can't be CURED.. some of my goat's has come down with CL..I'd drain, flush and keep them SEPERATE until it all dryer up.. but every so often I'd look for anything new...it's DRAXXIN that I injected only into the cyst.. these no good cyst literally disappeared or would turn hard.. after injecting the DRAXXIN..ITS LITERALLY BEEN 3 YEARS SINCE ANY OF MY GOATS HAVE GOTTEN A CYST☺I TRUTHFULLY CANT BELIEVE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS ANYMORE..if you know of anyone please have them read my post on CURING CL❣💜

Thank you....I had not heard of using the draxxin.

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Damfino

· #10 · Apr 5, 2021

Send in a sample. It's better to know than to guess. I once had a vet tell me that he was absolutely sure that my goat's cheek abscess was from CL even though I knew it was caused by an injury. Testing the pus is very accurate. Even if your goat is CL positive, her weaned twins shouldn't have caught it unless she had a ruptured abscess inside her udder at the time (which is certainly possible but hopefully not the case). Good luck! I hope you get a negative CL test.

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goatblessings

· #11 · Apr 5, 2021

Keep or cull is a personal decision - hard to make choices. Depends on your management, worries about other infections and ability to quarantine. So hard, and best wishes.

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Debra P

· #12 · Apr 7, 2021

JML Farms said:
Thank you....I had not heard of using the draxxin.

Ohhh please use the draxxin, don't have to cull or get rid of your doe.. I've dealt with this for years and every so often I'd look for anything new. I saw that a small study was done on 12 goats.. they injected the draxxin into the cyst only..I would inject the cyst sideways so that I wouldn't get it into they're bodies..I had no idea that IT WOULD CURE THIS NO GOOD CL...I just thought I could at least contract when it popped.
Nope I have 12 goats and haven't had a cyst in 3 years... mellow always got at least 3 cyst practically on the very first warm day and I'd be fighting this all summer.. they never had a cyst in the winter...not ONE IN THREE YEARS IS UNBELIEVABLE.. AND I AM DOING MY BEST TO TELL EVERYONE I CAN! PLEASE DON'T CULL YOUR GOAT...I have a fabulous goat vet and I told her about this so she ordered the draxxin..$245 for a small bottle BUT this small bottle cured each goat that I injected with draxxin right into the cyst.. my doe phoenix had a HUGE CYST RIGHT DOWN HER NECK...I am telling everyone so that you don't cull..
I injected hers with draxxin..every week and I could literally see this thing getting smaller and smaller and I never had to drain it BECAUSE IT COMPLETELY DISSAPEARED ⚠ I mean GONE.
like a miracle and she and the others do not have CL ANYMORE ❣❣❣❣ STILL, I believe your vet SHOULD have taken a sample beforehand saying that it is CL thats a strange place to have one..mine always grew on nymph nodes..I had one goat( years before cl.. his a huge cyst..on her forehead..it was from something that got stuck inside the skin.. she never had another one even when CL came into me herd..
I am having a hard time trying to figure out this site I guess because it's a newer design but I check in every so often if you have any questions..❣ keep your doe, and ask your vet to sample any cyst next time so that you Absolutely know what it is...CL CAN BE CURED..I ABSOLUTELY KNOW BECAUSE ALL MY GOATS AND FREE OF THIS ROTTEN DISEASE ❣

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happybleats

· #13 · Apr 7, 2021

There are plenty of cyst that can look like CL and CL pus. While no smell and cottage cheese appearance does seem to point that direction I would not go by look only when in a location not normally a CL spot. I do think you need to take precautions as if it is CL but test the pus. Don't just go by sight.

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happybleats

· #14 · Apr 7, 2021

The udder has one Lymph Node..upper back near the attachment. CL is a disease of the lymph nodes..or shows up there forming a cyst. The only thing I'm un sure of is can a CL cyst form in a Lymph node vessel that moved fluid from the LN. Other wise, that can not be CL. Testing is the only way to know for sure. It would we interesting to know if this can happen. Q

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goatblessings

· #15 · Apr 7, 2021

happybleats said:
The udder has one Lymph Node..upper back near the attachment. CL is a disease of the lymph nodes..or shows up there forming a cyst. The only thing I'm un sure of is can a CL cyst form in a Lymph node vessel that moved fluid from the LN. Other wise, that can not be CL. Testing is the only way to know for sure. It would we interesting to know if this can happen. Q View attachment 206736

goatblessings

· #16 · Apr 7, 2021

Definitly test the pus. If positive, only you can decide how to manage the situation, lots of pros and cons on either side of this. - If negative you can breathe a sigh of relief, if positive, you do have some hard decisions to make.

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CountyLineAcres

· #17 · Apr 7, 2021

I also agree on testing the pus.

We had a cyst like that on one of our does as well. Vet was 95% convinced it was CL, but it was a severe staph infection.

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JML Farms

Discussion Starter · #18 · Apr 8, 2021

Thanks everybody for your suggestions. My doe is healing nicely. I wish I had been more assertive and insisted the vet test the pus, but I did not. The abscess has dried up now, and looks very good. She continues to eat and drink normally. When could I reintroduce her to the herd? Or would it be best to keep her in quarantine longer? I'm assuming if this was CL as long as she doesn't have an open sore leaking pus, she would not be infectious?

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happybleats

· #19 · Apr 8, 2021

She should be fine once the scab is healed to the point there is no moist area..no chance of pus leakage.

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toth boer goats

· #20 · Apr 8, 2021

A lot of good advice.

The vet is wrong about assuming, it should of been tested.

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