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We have a Lamancha doe who has been bred for the first time and is due mid April. Since summer, her coat condition has been awful...splotchy texture, dull, once black sections faded to grey. White sections of her coat had round, thin patches, almost like ringworm appearance, but the vet said it was not ringworm. Her winter coat is dull with a wooly undercoat. We have had the vet examine her on many occasions. He just keeps telling us to continue to offer free choice mineral. We asked if we should treat for copper deficiency, and he insisted we should not. We asked about selenium deficiency. He did not think that was the problem. They do not have parasites. He did test for those. However we live in Ohio which we've been told is copper and selenium deficient. Although we like our vet, I'm really worried as the doe is pregnant, and she does not appear to be getting better, only worse. Our older doe oes not have a great coat, and Ive noticed hat our youngest doe who is almost a year, is starting to look a little rough too. I've read so many articles and have seen symptoms like I'm describing in Copper, selenium, and zinc, deficiencies. I'm feeling desperate and questioning the vet's advice. Should I continue to trust my vet's judgment or should I go on my own and treat for copper deficiency and insist on a script for Bo-Se?
 

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Good for you for being cognizant of all these signs, doing your research, but also having a good relationship with your vet!

So, vets are not nutritionists and sometimes not even goat specialists depending on their schooling. Also, depending on how long ago they attended school, goat mineral knowledge has changed enormously! So while it's great the vet ruled out other issues, I would encourage you to follow your gut on this one.

Are you able to post photos of the goats -full bodies from the side including head, tail, and feet? We can confirm your suspicions.

You have some various options - it sounds like you suspect multiple deficiencies so may need a few products but a good starting point may be Replamin Plus oral paste.
 

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Looks like primarily copper deficiency but one of them does show weak pasterns (ankle areas bending to ground).

I would buy 4 gram copper boluses (Ultracruz or Copasure are the two brands) and I think Replamin Plus oral paste would also be beneficial.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply!! I'm going out now to get the copasure and paste. Does the paste target copper deficiency too? Is the dosing for copasure 1 gram for every 22 lbs? I think I read that it's safe for the pregnant does, correct? Do you think I should press my vet for Bo-Se? He's a great guy and an experienced large animal vet, not a newbie, so you may be right about now being aware of recent philosophies on goat nutrition.
 

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Yes Replamin Paste also contains Copper. With them showing obvious deficiency I wouldn't be concerned about overdosing. The copper bolus is very slow release- Replamin is faster acting.

Yes the bolus dosing is said to be 1gram per 22 lbs give or take though- don't go crazy worrying about the dosing. I give 8 grams (two boluses) to goats that are over 120lbs
 

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Just stopped at my local pbs and got the copasure and the paste. Thankfully, they did have it afterall. SaltyLove, will I risk overdosing the copper if I give them the 5cc of the paste daily for a week to kick them off, in addition to giving them the bolus today? Or should I wait to give them the bolus after a week of daily paste? How often do you think I should bolus? Twice yearly?
 

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If she is just needing copper and selenium, why would she need the replamin, especially once a day, then once a week, when she could get the selenium e gel for goats 1x a month? Just curious, as I've never used Replamin.
 

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It is a multi-vitamin mineral. So if you are giving that, then for most people you don't have to do a lot of other supplementing. Just a different way and frequency. For me it is much easier to do the weekly gel then worry about if they are eating their mineral and no longer have to do a lot of extra supplementing.
 
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