We purchased a couple does back in January that were thought to be bred. We had no dates to go by, just hopes. On 03/15/13 we found that one had kidded in the night and both babies died before morning check. She hadn't displayed any real prominent signs the night before when we checked. It was very sad as it was our first birth on the farm. Now on 03/19/13 our second doe had a set of babies. Again, she didn't look like it was going to happen that night but at eight am check I saw one on the ground that she was just staring at. She had pulled the sac but had done nothing else. It was still wet and in 25 degree weather. Luckily I had moved her to a birthing stall. I waited a minute and the doe still just stood there doing nothing. This was her first birth. I went in and cleaned the baby off with towels and placed it in the barrel warmer I had set up with a heat lamp. She was having another and I had to reposition it because it only had one leg out and the other turned backwards. Once it fell, she just walked away. I pulled the sac and cleaned it up and put it in the warmer. She stayed away from them completely. She wouldn't let me near her to try to get them to nurse and they were very weak. I pulled them out and put them close to her but she went to the opposite side. They never stood up and she was determined to not let them nurse, despite my attempts. We called the vet in because she had a weird lump in her belly and we were worried she had one retained inside. It had been around 6 hours and hadn't produced a placenta. Between myself and my husband we tried to get her to nurse but she only produced a secretion that looked like vaseline. (There was no color to it, just thick goop) Finally we just let them nurse off the doe who lost her babies last week as that was our only option. Hers had never nursed so she still had all her milk/colostrum. We had to hold them up and help as they were very weak. Our vet said they were premature based on their size (each low 5 lbs) and he gave them both a series of booster shots as well as both mommas. He said they had little chance of survival in the barn especially if momma wasn't interested even if we forced her to nurse. So I brought them home. We have been milking the momma's (quite poorly I will admit, this isn't my talent) and giving what we get to them. But mostly they are getting a mix of cows milk, evaporated milk, and buttermilk that I found online to give them. The first day I added in a tiny bit of coffee and gatorade to give them a bit of pep and it seemed to help. They are three days old now and they have been pooping (now past meconium and into orange kid poo) and lots of pee. They eat vigorously and just today got better at standing and taking some steps. I had them in my kitchen in their barrel until today when I moved them to my living room that has heated brick floors. I figured that would be better than the barrel so they can practice standing and walking. Question is, I am very unsure how much to allow them to eat. I read the bottle feeding thread but I wasn't sure if it was the same with premies. They have hair, teeth, everything really, just little, and very wobbly. The first day they ate 2-3 ounces of milk about every 2-3 hours. Yesterday they ate about 3-4 ounces every 3 ounces. But today they seem starved. I have let them have 5 ounces about every 3-4 hours (whenever they get vocal). Is this too much? They seem to be digesting it. They pee a lot! We have them in diapers so I know how much. And they are pooping every 2-3 feedings in their diapers, pretty good size poops. Their little bellies look full after they eat, not really tight, still squishy and they don't look full when they beg to eat again. Are we doing this right? These are my kids goats so I can't imagine if they don't make it the same week we lost the others. Any advice? Or any advice on making momma more of a milker? She has tiny nipples. Like pinky size and only about an inch long. I would much prefer to give them the momma milk than this mix, I'm sure it would be better for them.