Proposed Fee on Smelly Cows and Hogs Angers Farmers

Discussion in 'The Chatter Box' started by Pam B, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. Pam B

    Pam B New Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Southern Michigan
    This article was in FoxNews yesterday. Note that PETA is behind this, yet another way to make us a meatless society. I wonder though if they have thought about the emissions that the tractors will put out if all those meat farmers switch over to crop farming??? :?

  2. Di

    Di Crazy Goat Lady

    Jan 29, 2008
    central PA
    I just sent a e-mail to my senators...these people are just out if left field somewhere. This is the kind of thing that causes Revolution. They'd better watch it. PETA is overstepping here big time. They won't be satisfied until we are scratching in the dirt with our bare hands trying to feed ourselves!

  3. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Not just that but none of these PETA people want to face the fact that the entire world cannot survive on vegetables. We cannot possibly grow enough food crops to feed people, there are certain parts of this world where nothing can be grown because of terrain and that is where livestock is grown.

    If we were to stop production of livestock for food, many many people would go hungry, hungry people are what start revolutions.

    I think(and hope) there's enough sensible people in our elected government who would see how stupid this is.

    Oh and btw, I'm a member of PETA, that is People Eating Tasty Animals :greengrin:
  4. PiccoloGoat

    PiccoloGoat goat girl x0x0

    Sep 10, 2008
    Me too! :ROFL:

    I think it's rediculous that PETA think they can just complain and force other people to eat their stoopid vegetables all the time. They don't seem to realise that without meat, out brains dont grow properly, which means over time humans will slowly grow dumber and think vegetables are good ALL the time. LOL, thats my view on it anyway.
    And I don't think taking pills everyday just to get enough nutrients is as satisfying as ripping your teeth into a fat juicy steak :)

    And so many people will go broke because they cant afford the fees, meaning people will probably move closer to town, then jobs will run out and unemployment will be bad. Then the crowding of cities will be worse. gah!

    I could go on for ages..
    But i rest my case. That is stupid. They dont make crop farmers pay for their machines gases :angry:
  5. Pam B

    Pam B New Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Southern Michigan
    Good work, Di! That's what we all need to do, let our representatives in DC know that those kinds of fees are going to put farmers out of business, and then where are the members of Congress going to get their steaks and chickens for all those political dinners? Who's going to spend $1000. per plate to eat green beans and carrots?
  6. Amos

    Amos New Member

    Oct 2, 2008
    That is sickening.. as Alyssa said, then even more people will move to the cities - not enough people grow/raise their own food at it is, that will mean more money needed towards imports, shipping, and packaging. I know my family grows 80% of the veggies we eat, and raise atleast %60 of the meat we eat, if not more, which is what more people should be doing, besides leaning towards organics. Besides.. if their are so concerned about the amount of air pollution, there are so many power plants and large corporations that create air pollution, water pollution, and other hazards, that should be closed down instead. Besides, people seem to be blaming this type of air pollution on animals, but if it really mattered to them, they should blame it on themselves. How many millions of people are in the U.S.? Lol. no offense to anyone, but i don't think alot of people realize the ammount of work and dedication that goes into raising and growing food to begin with, easy for them so walk or drive right over to the grocery store, but too many people don't realize where that all comes from..
    Ok I'll stop ranting.
  7. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    amen.. this is so ludicrous.. like farmers make money.. i can vouch.. we dont make anything! and i'm not even a full fledge farmer..
  8. Amos

    Amos New Member

    Oct 2, 2008
    Your right SDK, my dad recently retired from farming, and my mom still works in town, but even when my dad was still working like before, we were struggeling.
  9. SDK

    SDK New Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Yucaipa ca
    its horrible.. people think farmers are rich people who do pretty much nothing all day but sit back and watch stuff grow! yea right
  10. Candy

    Candy Guest

    May 14, 2008
    I think I'm in trouble. I can't afford to pay for my own burps & farts. Guess I'll have to figure out some kind of filtering system :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
    Candy :sun:
  11. FunnyRiverFarm

    FunnyRiverFarm New Member

    Sep 13, 2008
    Hudson, MI
    Amos is right...Blaming cows for global warming is pretty silly...what pollution they produce is a drop in the bucket compared what the average person is responsible for.
  12. Pam B

    Pam B New Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Southern Michigan
    I'd tell ya to put a cork in it, but that could be dangerous1 :ROFL:
  13. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    yeah ...I can't believe... they are even proposing that.....there has been big farms and ranches around for years....with no complaints or problems about gases ect in the they are complaining about it?...yes they do smell ...I remember growing up in the city..... and going to out of town to the dairy ..where we got our milk.....right out of the big refrigerator machine....the ranch had an odor... but hey .........I love the milk and cream...we also made butter.....
    I also love beef.....................With the high cost of feed ...they already have to in the world... are they going to pay that much for each cow/animal.... and still be able to survive with there business's? ...........Wow ..........all the different ranches ect ...would shut down operations...sadly they cannot survive......I can't imagine this world without beef,pork,milk,butter,all dairy products....and ICE CREAM....... :tears:

    What will they do next ???????? charge us....the people for farting and burping..? :shrug:
  14. Amos

    Amos New Member

    Oct 2, 2008
    Well, if that does happen, sheep, goats, equine will be next, then even birds.
  15. Sonrise Farm

    Sonrise Farm Guest

    Sep 18, 2008
    Do they own the air? I thought that was free. . . . :roll:
  16. PiccoloGoat

    PiccoloGoat goat girl x0x0

    Sep 10, 2008
    My thoughts exactly :ROFL:

    Yeah, how come it's just cows and hogs.. Horses fart alot Horse that farted-->:horse: :sick: <--Victim
  17. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Hey, did anybody stop and think(thinking hypothetically here), ok, so we want everybody to eat vegetables, thats fine, whatever. But what are they going to do about ethanol production? Then again, we can't eat corn but we can't give up all those corn acres to grow vegetables. And would somebody tell me why Mr. Obama wants to take subsidies away from 'million dollar farmers' (believe me, farmers are no where close to millionares) and these are the farmers who are growing all the corn for his big ethanol campaign!

    Oh, and what are we supposed to do with all these cows and pigs we can't eat?

    Its all a dead end if you ask me :roll:
  18. deenak

    deenak Member

    Oct 10, 2007
    Ames Iowa
    This tax is the most ridiculous thing I have have ever heard of. I live in Iowa and alot of the small farmers would go out of business if this is enacted. The ultimate cost would be passed on to the consumer. Call your state representatives and let them know how you feel.
  19. Sonrise Farm

    Sonrise Farm Guest

    Sep 18, 2008
    It's a stinky situation . . . . :ROFL: sorry, I couldn't help myself. . . .but come on, the air is not polluted outside the range of the stock pen and barn area. . . I was raised on a hog farm! I personally think it is just another money making scheme. . . . :roll:
  20. AlaskaBoers

    AlaskaBoers New Member

    May 6, 2008
    Wasilla Alaska
    Re: Proposed Fee on Smelly Cows and Hogs Angers Farmers UPDATE!!

    EPA denies cow-emission tax
    By Dairy Herd news source | Tuesday, December 09, 2008

    Rumors that the Environmental Protection Agency plans to impose a tax on
    methane emissions from dairy, beef and hog operations are apparently untrue.

    In a statement last Friday, the EPA said it is currently reviewing public
    comments on proposed rule changes to the Clean Air Act. However, the agency
    also said it is not proposing a "cow tax" as a way to regulate greenhouse
    gas emissions.

    The EPA´s statement comes in response to a document circulated by the
    American Farm Bureau Federation.

    The following statement explains EPA´s position on claims that it plans to
    tax dairy, beef and hog producers for methane emissions:

    "EPA is not proposing a cow tax. The CAA (Clean Air Act) does not include a
    broad grant of authority for EPA to impose taxes, fees or other monetary
    charges specifically for GHGs (greenhouse gases) and, therefore, additional
    legislative authority may be required if EPA were to administer such charges
    (which we will refer to collectively as fees)). In response to the April
    2007 finding in the Supreme Court case Massachusetts v. EPA that greenhouse
    gases are air pollutants under the Clean Air Act (CAA), EPA issued an
    advanced notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPR) in July 2008 to solicit
    comments about a number of options and questions to be considered for
    possible greenhouse gas regulations under the Clean Air Act. The period to
    submit comments on the ANPR ended on November 28, 2008.

    "The ANPR does not recommend the use of any particular CAA authority to
    regulate any emissions, nor does it commit to specific next steps to address
    greenhouse gases. The ANPR provides a comprehensive, in-depth exploration of
    the opportunities and challenges that the application of CAA authorities
    would present. It examines the interconnections among CAA provisions and
    the implications of applying particular CAA authorities to reduce greenhouse

    Go here to read more:
    http://www.epa. gov/climatechang e/anpr.html