Question about deer & goats

Discussion in 'Goat Management' started by HoosierShadow, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    We're getting ready to fence in our back acre for the goats - all wooded area, and a goat browse heaven!
    There are deer that sleep in the very back near the fence seperating our property from a horse paddock.

    Anything I should be vaccinating my goats for? Or any precautions I should take? We take the goats back there, and will take them back as we work, so I just figured I'd ask :)
     
  2. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Meningeal worm is the only thing that comes to mind...no vaccinations available for that but do be watchful for neurologic symptoms with your goats as this is a worm that attacks the nervous system.
     

  3. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    I'm with Liz .... :thumb:

    can't think of anything else off hand.... other than... they carry alot of ticks.... :shocked:
     
  4. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Thanks so much Liz and Pam. What is the best wormer for the meningeal worm? We'll do our regular worming in a few weeks. We've been using Safeguard and so far we have had no issues.
     
  5. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    I agree with the others. The Meningeal worm, is so bad. I do not believe there is a dewormer for it, but I am sure I am wrong on that becasue that just does not sound right to me.
     
  6. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    MENINGEAL DEERWORM INFECTION IN GOATS


    Goat producers who live in areas where whitetail deer are
    abundant should be concerned about Meningeal Deerworm
    infection in their goats. Rainfall, swampy ground, and
    leaf litter compound the problems but the presence of
    white-tail deer are the key.

    Sometimes called deerworm or brainworm, the parasite
    Parelaphostrongulus tenuis uses the whitetail deer as its
    host and passes through the deer's body without harming
    it. But with goats, the deerworm seems to "get lost"
    and winds up in the spinal canal . . . causing hind leg
    weakness and unsteadiness, progressing to hind leg
    dragging, inability to walk in a straight line, rear end
    wobbling from side to side, tremors, inability to stand,
    and paralysis. Once the larvae migrate over the body,
    the goat oftentimes but not always experiences intense
    itching and may begin chewing holes in its hide. There
    may be multiple small patches or one large patch of
    leathery skin, often behind the front leg of the body and
    moving up to the neck area. Shaving the hair off the
    sites where itching and chewing are occurring will
    usually reveal a straight line of hard nodules leading
    from the spine over which the skin has thickened. .
    These are the subcutaneous larvae migrating throughout
    the goat's body. If the producer diagnoses the
    problem before paralysis occurs, full recovery is
    possible.

    Goats who develop Meningeal Deerworm infection get it by
    ingesting the intermediate host, a slug or snail, while
    browsing in wet areas, such as ponds or swamps, or under
    dead leaves, branches, and trees. Warm weather in early
    winter and the resulting lack of snow cover has made this
    disease common in the eastern part of the United States.
    Goat producers who raise alpacas, llamas, or related
    ruminants may find that these camelids are even more
    susceptible to Meningeal Deerworm disease than goats or
    sheep.

    The producer should suspect Meningeal Deerworm disease if
    the goat displays neurologic signs or any problem
    involving the spinal cord, from leg dragging to inability
    to get up. The disease can be a slow progression of
    symptoms or can strike suddenly. Pneumonia is a common
    secondary problem, since the goat is down and therefore
    inactive. The infected goat does not seem to be in pain,
    other than the itching; most goats eat and drink
    until death occurs.

    Treatment involves very high dosages of Ivomec Plus or
    generic equivalent. Ivermectin paste or pour-on are
    not effective. Ivomec Plus or generic equivalent is
    recommended because if snails are slugs are present, so
    may also be liver flukes, and Ivomec Plus will handle both
    conditions at the same time. Ivomec Plus should be
    given at a rate of 1 cc per 25 pounds bodyweight for at
    least seven days, followed by a double-the-cattle dosage
    of fenbendazole (Safeguard/ Panacur) for five days.
    Dosing too low means that the deerworm continues to do
    damage. Enough medication needs to remain in the goat's
    system so that the blood-brain barrier can be crossed in
    order to kill the larvae that have already penetrated the
    spinal column. If the goat is down and can't get up on
    its own, the chance for recovery is not good. An
    anti-inflammatory drug like Banamine can be useful in
    alleviating the inflammation of nerve tissue.
    Dexamethozone should also be used if paralysis is
    present, dosing at approximately 8 cc per 100 lbs
    bodyweight and stepping down one cc per day. Dex should
    be given into the muscle (IM). If the sick goat is a
    pregnant doe, use the dexamethasone and let her abort,
    because she isn't likely to survive if she is trying to
    grow fetuses while fighting this disease. If the
    producer is concerned about using Dexamethasone and
    Banamine at the same time, then use the Dex and forget the
    Banamine. When symptoms are found in one goat, the
    producer should either treat the entire herd or watch
    everyone closely daily for symptoms and begin treatment
    immediately if discovered.

    This treatment, if utilized early in the disease, can
    stop its progression but cannot undo any nerve damage.
    Permanent spinal damage (including curvature), weakness
    in the hindquarters, and/or inability to deliver kids may
    be the residual effect of Meningeal Deerworm infection.
    Once the spinal cord is damaged, treatment can only do
    so much and the goat will never be back to full health.
    Producers should let at least one month pass before
    becoming convinced that the animal has been successfully
    treated.

    In the northern and eastern parts of the United States,
    most infections occur in late summer/early fall or early
    winter, following a wet summer and mild fall. The larval
    migration of P. tenuis can take from ten days to over
    three months. If weather conditions produce wet
    ground, leaf litter or other slug habitat, and
    temperatures above 55*F, then meningeal deerworm is likely
    to appear six weeks after the first warm day and exist for
    the same number of days that the warm temperatures lasted.
    Said another way, if two weeks of warm weather occurs
    in November, watch for the appearance of meningeal
    deerworm in January. During these timeframes, some
    producers are using Ivomec Plus or its generic equivalent
    monthly for up to four months during the at-risk
    seasons.

    Although laboratory testing of the cerebrospinal fluid
    produces an accurate diagnosis, the key to treatment of
    Meningeal Worm infection is early aggressive treatment.
    If all indications tell the producer that the goat is
    infected with P. tenuis, forget the testing and get on
    with treatment.

    Prevention is difficult. The only proven preventative
    medication is administering Ivomec Plus or its generic
    equivalent monthly during slug and snail season.
    Because slugs and snails travel, ponds, swamps, and
    leafy wooded areas should be fenced off at least 200
    yards from the areas to avoid so goats cannot become
    exposed to slugs and snails. Test for existence of slugs
    and snails by putting dry dog food in a small plastic cup,
    place it on the ground, and cover it with a bucket or box.
    Check the bucket or box at sunrise and sundown. If you
    find slugs, you have a potential Meningeal Deerworm
    problem in play.

    Treatment can be unsuccessful, even when the disease is
    caught in its early stages. Prevention is the key to
    avoiding this devastating disease. This writer thanks
    Ray Kruse of Little Brush Creek Farm in Buffalo, Kentucky
    for his input based upon his experience with this disease.

    Suzanne W. Gasparotto
     
  7. HoosierShadow

    HoosierShadow Senior Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Central Kentucky
    Great info Lori thanks so much! I'll copy and paste it into my notes!
     
  8. mrs. lam

    mrs. lam New Member

    Apr 20, 2010
    A lot of deer on the land we are moving to so I had wondered the same thing. The tree's have been cut, so not as much bedding areas for them plus with Grumpy I'm hoping they won't come close anymore.

    Can you use a sulpher block in the goat/sheep area? It works for ticks with horses just wondering if it would be okay with them.

    Gina
     
  9. logansmommy7

    logansmommy7 New Member

    925
    Nov 11, 2009
    Shenandoah Valley, VA
    I have just obtained two llamas and that was the previous owner's biggest concern. We will be vaccinating them with Dectimax every two months. Could this be used on goats?
     
  10. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    My vet had said that theres more instances of llamas and alpaca's contrating MW than there are goats.
    Do you mean Dectomax the wormer? It can be used SQ in goats at .3mg per kg.....it is an Avermectin, the same as what is used in ,Eprinex,Ivomec drench and injectible as well as Cydectin and Quest.