Question in CAE

Discussion in 'Goat Frenzy' started by hphorses, Dec 23, 2010.

  1. hphorses

    hphorses New Member

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    Feb 16, 2010
    Waldron, SK. Canada
    How does it transfer to another goat and what does it mean for a goat that has it? I was looking at a 5 year old LaManche milking doe to buy and the owners are being very honest by telling me she has tested positive for CAE.... So can you guys enlighten me just a bit on this? all our current meat does have come from a CAE free farm.

    Tara
     
  2. Paige

    Paige Senior Member

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    Oct 14, 2010
    ohio

  3. Hush Hills Fainters

    Hush Hills Fainters New Member

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    Oct 27, 2010
    Well at least the people were upfront about it...but I agree I would not but a goat the is CAE positive...
     
  4. KW Farms

    KW Farms Moderator Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Wapato, WA
    milkmaid...CAE is not contagious, it's spread through the milk of the doe to her kids. It can also be spread through breeding, but it rare to be transferred that way. So if you have a doe with CAE and her kids or other kids nurse off of her they can get it.

    It is an arthritus in goats. If your goats are from CAE neg. farms then do not add a positive goat to your herd. Here is a link for more information: http://www.goats4h.com/CAE.html
     
  5. liz

    liz Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    CAE positive goats can be a typical "healthy" and normal goat, which is why it is IMO to try and erradicate the disease. Even if the goat appears normal, CAE can cause alot of udder problems as well as arthritis in goats over a year old, the encephalitis part of the disease mainly affects kids , severe forms will cause death. If you have an established CAE free herd I truly don't think it is worth the risk or the hassle to bring in a positive doe, the honesty of the breeder is comendable and I do hope that they either can keep her and pull her kids or have her go to a pet home where she isn't bred and can't pass on the disease through milk.
     
  6. TheMixedBag

    TheMixedBag The Hoofcare and Repro specialist

    Oct 16, 2010
    Glencoe, OK
    CAE can be clinically shown through either nervous symptoms (generally lack of control of the right back legs-usually lethal by 4 months) or swelling of the knees and arthritic symptoms. It *can* affect udders and production, but not always, so if she doesn't produce like she *should*, it's the CAE. My girl produced 11 lb a day with CAE, so it's hit and miss. Hard lumpy udders should be avoided, as should swollen knees.

    CAE can be transferred through blood and milk, and it's up for debate as to whether it can be transferred through any other means (my guess is no, for right now-it hasn't happened yet-doesn't mean it won't).

    CAE symptoms show up in roughly 10% of positive goats. Many goats test positive their whole life without ever showing symptoms, which leads many people to question why it's such a serious disease in the first place. The main effects of CAE are on the selling ability of the kid, and the reputation of the breeder.

    CAE is not known to cause issues when meat or milk, raw or otherwise, is consumed from a positive goat.

    My suggestion is that if she's a really good goat for a really good price, get her, keep her separate, and bottlefeed. Whether CAE is a risk you're worth taking is completely up to you, and how you feel about the disease.
     
  7. hphorses

    hphorses New Member

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    Feb 16, 2010
    Waldron, SK. Canada
    Ok that's kind of what I was thinking... thanks every one! wish me luck in finding a dairy doe!

    Tara
     
  8. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    I totally agree with you.

    The testing for CAE is only for the antibodies. A goat can have the antibodies and actually be a "superior" goat because they are less likely to actually get the disease because they can fight it off. But goats who do have the disease also have the antibodies so its a hard call on how to actually eradicate the disease when all you are testing for is the antibodies. Once they get a test for the actual disease we will be on a better track. Until then...we are stuck with what we have for testing.
     
  9. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Good luck to you.... :thumb:
     
  10. Frozenbayou

    Frozenbayou New Member

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    Jan 2, 2015
    Ok I am buying a doe that is CAE negative but owner says she has another goat that is positive but that they are strictly kept seperate would you still buy the negative doe?
     
  11. lottsagoats1

    lottsagoats1 Well-Known Member

    Apr 12, 2014
    Middle Maine
    I have bought CAE+ does before because I liked their genetics. I pulled the kids at birth so the kids would be CAE-. I have never had my CAE- goats convert to CAE+ and I've been doing this for 30+ years.

    Frozen- I would not hesitate to buy her if you really want her. I would have her tested before you bought her though, unless she was recently tested and the owner can show you the paperwork showing the test results.
     
  12. rebelINny

    rebelINny Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    ^^^I agree. There is no solid proof that anything other than blood and milk contaminate a goat with cae. I've raised a cae+ doe with my herd to test this theory and she hasn't passed it to anyone and her kids test negative cause I pull at birth and bottle feed. Management as far as milk, kids and needles, and blood are a must but I don't feel cae is the death sentence so many think it is.
     
  13. margaret

    margaret merryoaks

    Aug 30, 2013
    nc
    I would. I personally bought CAE positive goats with full knowledge of it. It only passes through white blood cell. So milk and I guess blood. So it doesn't pass horizontally or through semen so very very small chance she would have CAE.