We found an odd product at the army navy store. They had a heavy green leather mens XL vest that were used for paint ball fights. The vest were $12. The leather was quiet and very durable. A silicon spray was used for water proofing. I took them apart and made panniers with them. A person maybe able to find a product like this by searching ebay for paint ball vest or the army navy stores. I have also made them out of men's heavy wool pants. I have never made large volume panniers with these products. These are my scouting packs when I want the boys quiet and mobile. It is a tricky getting goats through the timber bow hunting and not setting off elk alarms with unusual noises.