Ok...I've been going to Westmoreland County fair every year for the last 10 years and well, I have a serious gripe about SNOTTY goat breeders!! One in particular that breeds Toggenbergs , Nubians and LaMancha's ...it is very disgusting the way she is just totally snotty about answering any questions on her goats and of course...she is the ONLY breeder there that has numerous ribbons ....it's like I'm taking her valuable time of sitting in her chair and acting just snotty, that my questions about production and confirmation are not important, treated me like she had no time for my "chatter"....and she was just sitting there!! My niece was overly concerned with one of this ladies LaMancha doelings having her head stuck in the fencing...and she was stuck..this woman basically didn't care and snipped at my 7 year old niece for touching her goat! I mention that I have Nigi's and her retort was that if I wanted to know about "production" then I should have "real" goats! I am so disgusted and royally PO'd that someone like that is even tolerated with the fair board. :angry: btw...I looked through the entire barn and was amazed at how many boer kids there were...these were some really nice and solid goats..there were 2 nigis and 3 pygmies...the nigis were registered, but they were short in body and looked "pygmy"...4H projects for youngsters but a shame that these kids have no one in the area to teach them about the true confirmation f ND....and I live in a different county that has no 4H so I wouldn't know where to start as far as even getting these kids going in the right direction...not that I'm expert as I'm still learning but seeing the wonderful ND breeders here...and even my own 2 .....there is a DEFINATE DIFFERENCE in ND and Pygmy.