REALLY bad start to kidding season

Discussion in 'Kidding Koral' started by getchagoat (Julie), Feb 28, 2008.

  1. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    Lucy had her 3 kids. She didn't feed one, so we have our first bottle baby. And now Lucy is eating the kids' hair - she's always done this with adult goats since we've known her. So we may have to put them on someone else.

    2nd doe kidded during the night Monday - a week early and they froze. Two 6 colored kids, boy and girl.

    Today a doe that hasn't kidded yet got Listeriosis. Brad is trying to get her through the night and then put her down in the morning and do a C-section. We just don't have good enough lighting to try to get them out of her tonight.

    Some helpful stuff our goat vet told us about listeriosis and inducing labor and anaphelactic shock. I'm still working so will post that tomorrow when I get time or tonight when I can't sleep.

    We are trying to put the bottle baby on the mom that lost her 2. She will get the other doe's kids though if we save them. And if Lucy keeps being awful with her kids, they'll need to go to someone else. We need another doe to kid to take orphans.

    Things went WAY too easy last year I figured this year would be rocky just not like this.
     
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    Oh Julie :hug: I am sorry things are starting out like this for you :(

    I will be praying that the doe makes it and so do her kids. Also that this is the end of your issues and it is smooth going from here on out. :pray:
     

  3. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    Thanks, Stacey. It's gotten worse this morning. The pygmy girl just died. She was doing okay at 3. Brad went out at 5 and her head was under her brother. She passed within 5 mins of getting her in the house. We will pull the last boy in the next 30 mins when Brad wakes back up. Lucy will go to a home where she won't be bred and be a pet. I'm too upset with her. The little girl had 2 huge patches of hair missing. I guess Lucy kept on her all night or something.

    Notes from vet: For polio/listeriosis, give Duramycin or LA200 (oxytetracyclene) and Dex to help with swelling.
    For anaphelactic shock, give 1/2cc Banamine in the vein, 1cc epinephrine in vein (if she is not alert), 60cc pepto, lots of Thiamin.
    A good test to see if listeriosis, bring hands up to both eyes. If one of them doesn't blink, it's list.
    To induce, give 5cc Dexamethasone and 2cc lutalyse. It will take 36 - 48 hours for birth. If you don't have lute on hand, go ahead and give the Dex, then again the next day when you get the lute.
    If it had been polio, she would be better by the next day (which she isn't).
     
  4. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    The babies in the doe with list were already dead, but Brad said it was easier to get them out than he thought, so it was good practice for a c-section.

    On the UP side! We have 2 new 75% black kiko kids. Don't know sex yet - letting them bond.
     
  5. Di

    Di Crazy Goat Lady

    Jan 29, 2008
    central PA
    So sorry for your losses! :hug: Prayers for the rest of the does/kids. I'm waiting (and waiting) for my very first doe to kid, and this forum has been so informative and helpful. I'm forcing myself to read these unfortunate experiences, taking the "rose colored glasses" off. But, I'm still hopeful and optimistic for our kidding season. Thank you for helping me be realistic though. Pooh happens, I'm impressed with your hubby, my husband won't even give our goats shots! Let alone a c-section. Has he ever seen it done...sounded like it was the first time he'd done one. (I understand the doe was "gone", but still).

    Thanks again,

    Di
     
  6. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    I have to brag on my husband. There isn't much he won't do, maybe dealing with human baby diapers. :) He is an avid hunter, so is use to dressing animals. And, yes, both of us got to watch a c-section at a vet's office last year. We asked to watch (wasn't our doe). I don't think he wanted me to see him doing it - thought I couldn't handle it. However, we watched the procedure before, and I watched a film of a necropsy of a kid last weekend. I'm getting a stronger stomach.

    Brad is very intelligent and reads alot. I'm very lucky. :greengrin:
     
  7. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    Oh, and thank you for the prayers. It's tough seeing these little ones not make it.
     
  8. enjoytheride

    enjoytheride New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Humboldt Co Ca
    Thank you for that paragraph on listeriosis and epinephrin- I didn't know either of these things. I will print it out and keep it in my "too hysterical to think" file.
    I'm sorry that this information was learned through such hardship. May the rest of your kidding go safely.
     
  9. getchagoat (Julie)

    getchagoat (Julie) New Member

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    Oct 5, 2007
    Waco, KY
    I create index cards for all handy goat stuff - especially medicinal. I keep it in one box and I know right where to go when I need it. It's easier than turning on the computer and finding a file and takes up less room. I put the condition, treatment, and where I got the information.

    Hope you won't ever have to use it.
     
  10. jBlaze

    jBlaze New Member

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    Oct 9, 2007
    Oregon
    So sorry for your loss. (hug)
    Thank you for the info and learning experience. These are things we should all learn, so thank you for sharing. I wish you didn't have to go through it though. :( Hugs. I like the index card idea.
     
  11. goathappy

    goathappy New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Illinois
    I'm so sorry Julie!! :hug: Sorry to hear about all the ones you lost :( I hope kidding goes better for you.
     
  12. liz

    liz Active Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    Shelocta PA
    Julie, I am so sorry for your losses and yes it would be best to find a pet home for the doe that isn't a good mom. Too much resentment on your part if she would stay with you. Lots of happy thoughts headed your way for a healthier round of kidding in the future. :hug: