Registered and unregistered

Discussion in 'Mini Mania' started by Frozenloc2, Apr 26, 2008.

  1. Frozenloc2

    Frozenloc2 New Member

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    Jan 12, 2008
    Northern Maryland
    Is it true that you can register a goat as long as one of the parents is registered? Someone told me that about pygmys, if it is true, is it the same for ND's? Or maybe it was pertaining to showing. Any and all info would be great. Still learning. Who lives near MD with some registered goats? I'm looking to upgrade. Probably would want a pygmy and ND registered. The problem would be not having the buck if I need both parents registered. I really like my blue eyed buck and look forward to breeding to him. I can't see having two bucks again. I just had so many problems with the last buck I traded. Right now I have unregistered pygmys, ND's and mixes. Not many people ask me for registered so is it worth the hassle?
     
  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    unfortunatly the person was wrong about pygmy registration. Both parents have to be registered to register kids with the National Pygmy Goat Association (NPGA). here is their website http://www.npga-pygmy.com/

    The same goes for Nigerian Dwarfs. There are two main registries for nigerians. The Nigerian Dwarf Goat Association(NDGA) and the American Goat Society (AGS). AGS is preferred at least in our area and then if you so desire you can get them double and even triple registred with NDGA or American Dairy Goat Association (ADGA).
    Depends on where you want to show them - though you can show AGS goats in a ADGA show and have them get their AGS leg :D you just have to bring with you special paperwork from AGS.

    Now to if it is worth it.............depends on what you want to do with your goats. I plan on having both. I love some of my unregistered girls way to much to just sell them but I would like to get a little bit back for my efforts of feeding and raising them so registered kids sell for more and with the price of everything going up I figure it would be worth it.

    So I hope to eventually have 3 of each but for now I will have 4 unregistered and 2 registered and Jasper.

    I also want to show but I want to get my feet wet this year and see if it is really something I want to do before going all out.
     

  3. HollowbeadRanch

    HollowbeadRanch New Member

    Oct 5, 2007
    NW Alabama
    Yep, Pygmy and Nigis can't be registered if just one of the parents are registered (Boers can because they can be registered in percentages but not minis). Also, the AGS and ADGA will not honor NDGA papers, but the NDGA will honor AGS and ADGA papers. So if you want a double or triple registered Nigi then you need to be sure that they are registered with ATLEAST AGS or ADGA. AGS/ADGA registered Nigis are more valuable in our area because they have more sanctioned shows around here. It just really all depends on what you want and what your goals are.

    I am pretty well in the same position you are. I raise unregistered Nigis, Pygmys, and ND/P mixes as well. I have decided that I am going to purchase a couple of registered Nigi Doelings this Summer, and then by the time they are old enough to breed my website should be established enough that I could take a shot at breeding and selling a FEW registered kids off of the Doelings that I purchase this Summer. I am also hoping that by then I will know a little more about all of the registrys, tattooing, and disbudding... HOPEFULLY! So that is how I plan on trying on the registered Minis :greengrin: (a long process I know... but I think it will be worth the wait :thumbup: ).

    Also... since I don't know ALOT about the registries... if anything I stated earlier is wrong PLEASE feel free to correct me :wink: I definitely admit that there is still ALOT that I don't know as far as the registered world of minis goes :greengrin:
     
  4. jBlaze

    jBlaze New Member

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    Oct 9, 2007
    Oregon
    With ADGA you can get papers on a dairy goat that does not have any papers. Say I buy a goat that looks completely dairy, I can register her as Recorded Grade, and her parents are listed as Unknown. Then I breed to registered stock and her kids will be registered as grade + bucks breed as long as they conform to that breed standard. (ex: grade alpine) W/in a few generations the kids are registered as American whatever-breed. It may be more dificult with the nigis because they don't want any pygmy breeding in there. It must be ALL dairy.

    The people at ADGA are very nice and are happy to answer all sorts of questions, trying to decipher the verbage on the web-site is way too confusing, I just call them. :)

    hth
     
  5. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    NJ
    ADGA still doesn't register recorded grade for nigerians unfortunatly.
     
  6. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    I dont know why ADGA doesnt do what they do with all the other breeds. i think its because they havnt been a recognized breed as long. If you buy a doe that looks like a nubian and conforms o that breed standard but you dont know her parents you can register her as NOA or native on apearance. You have to have an ADGA member write a letter saying they have seen the animal and that she conforms to whatever breed standard you are entering her as. If you breed her to a registered buck of the same breed you get kids that are fifty percent whatever breed. t takes four genetrations to get them back to aerican status.
    hope this helps
    beth