[Dmcpeak]

Nanny had twins yesterday she was eating good and babies were nursing. This morning her head and tail are down. No interest in food. Did get her to drink some water with baking soda. she is feeling bad. Her temp is 103.5. I have never seen any afterbirth. It’s really cold and I moved them to a heated room. Tried to feed the babies they wouldn’t eat much. I have seen them nursing. Haven’t checked eyes yet. Looking for suggestions before I start doctoring Thanks. David

 

[ksalvagno]

B Complex, probiotics, electrolyte water, smell her back end, check her udder for any problems

 

[Boer Mama]

If afterbirth is retained, that’ll be a problem. Also if a retained kid. Did you bounce her to check if another kid? I wouldn’t rule that out if no placenta delivered.

 

[Dmcpeak]

She is crusty on the backend no discharge. Was getting ready to give her some oxytocin,bcomplex and penicillin. Just got a text from my vet to o give her penicillin and dex To check for another baby just bounce her belly? I can’t smell anything on her backend. Thanks

 

[goatblessings]

If she is not still open ( go in and check) it is dangerous to give oxytocin. I hope you get this figured out - best wishes

 

[Dmcpeak]

She is crusty on the backend no discharge. Was getting ready to give her some oxytocin,bcomplex and penicillin. Just got a text from my vet to o give her penicillin and dex To check for another baby just bounce her belly? I can’t smell anything on her backend. Thanks

Her belly is still pretty big and she could very well have another baby in her I couldn’t tell much by bumping her belly. Gave her a shot of oxytocin hope for the best. Thanks David

 

[Dmcpeak]

If she is not still open ( go in and check) it is dangerous to give oxytocin. I hope you get this figured out - best wishes

I didn’t see your post before I will try to check her. Thanks

 

[Dmcpeak]

The vet came out today and said she doesn’t have a baby in her. He gave her calcium and antibiotics. She is still not eating.Having a little trouble getting her babies to drink on the bottle. He Gave Me . A bottle Of oral calmpk to give her as needed. Thanks for the help David

 

[ksalvagno]

Glad you had the vet out.

 

[Dmcpeak]

So nanny still not eating. Would alfalfa hay be alright to try or anything else you can think of to get her to eat. Her temperature was down from 103.5 to 102.5 yesterday when the vet was here. He gave her calcium, antibiotics and dex. She had b complex the other day . Thinking about b-12 thanks. David

 

[GoofyGoat]

So nanny still not eating. Would alfalfa hay be alright to try or anything else you can think of to get her to eat. Her temperature was down from 103.5 to 102.5 yesterday when the vet was here. He gave her calcium, antibiotics and dex. She had b complex the other day . Thinking about b-12 thanks. David

Yes, alfalfa hay free choice would be good for her. B complex can be given every 6 hours without harm, it’s water soluble and gets excreted through urine. It also help stimulate the appetite.
Hows her udder? is she feeding the kids ok?
A nursing doe needs calories so her body isn’t eating itself. If it were me, I’d check her ketone level as well as upping her calcium intake.

 

[toth boer goats]

I agree ☝

If weather permits and you have something for her to graze on.
Take her out for a little while.
If she has been penned up, I find goats get depressed being confined and do not eat well.
If it is too cold for babies, leave babies in and get her to go out by herself. Unless after making her go out and she keeps coming back then let her back in. At first, she doesn’t want to leave her kids. I make her go out for
a little while. She walks out to nibble on things and gets a break from being confined.
If she is out and nibbles for a short time then walks back to the kids area, then let her in. Do it on and off.

That is if you have things to graze on.
But even allowing her to move around is good for her.

I also find, some do not want alfalfa hay after kidding, but will eat oat or rye hay, weird but as long as she is eating something is better than nothing right?

But if she will eat alfalfa, that is good. Calcium can be drenched of she won’t eat alfalfa.
After a while, they do start eating alfalfa again.

Test her ketones as well.

 

[Dmcpeak]

I took the kids off of her and am trying to feed them on a bottle. I went to town and got alfalfa, salad mix , carrots, and cabage. When I got home I noticed one of the other nannies had babies I found them outside and they were dead. the sick nanny wouldn’t eat any of ithe stuff from town So I turned her out and she was picking at the green grass. I brought the nanny in that lost her babies babies and tied her up and let the babies nurse her. She doesn’t fight to bad as long as she has feed. The babies really needed that because they are really fighting the bottle. So would you turn the sick nanny out in the pasture during the day and let her graze. How many times a day would I need to tie up the nanny that lost her babies and let the babies get their bellies full. I’ve been feeding them on the bottle every four hours and the two of them don’t eat more than a half a cup a feeding. Finally how do I test her ketones or does the vet have to do it. I hope this makes sense I had three nannies kid today in 12 degree weather. First time I’ve left home since they started and lost 2 babies . I have 3 more left to kid.Thanks for the help. David

 

[Dmcpeak]

The sick nanny doesn’t have any milk she hasn’t eaten in two days but she is eating the cheat grass in the pen I have her in. After I turned her out today thanks David

 

[NigerianNewbie]

Finally how do I test her ketones or does the vet have to do it.

Ketone strips are available in the diabetic section of the pharmacy. Get the same strips a human would use, and then hold one of the strips under the urine flow of the doe. There is a color chart on the side of the bottle to hold the strip next too for comparing the ketone levels.

 

[happybleats]

To help graft the kids on the mama with dead kids...let her smell their back end ..nurse then let her smell the back end again...do this each time you feed them. I would do 3 to4 times a day. Keep in mind new Kim has colostrum and that may give them scours. I would also milk her and freeze some of that colostrum in case you need it later.
Very sorry for the dead babies.

 

[Dmcpeak]

Thank you so much for the help. David

 

[toth boer goats]

☝ I agree

A few hours out in the pasture to nibble is ok.
We don’t want her to scour, so slowly introduce it.
Glad she is eating when grazing, that is good.
Try a different kind of hay and see if she eats it.

Make sure she is drinking water or give her electrolytes.

 

[Dmcpeak]

There’s not much grass for them to eat . I got some alfalfa and the one that lost her babies won’t eat it either.I’ve got another nanny that kidded yesterday is doing the same thing as the first on. The first nanny that got sick is kind of picking at hay and feed a little bit. I am giving her penicillin and b-complex daily. Would redcell be helpful. still not doing good feeding orphans on the bottle. Got with the vet on the second sick nanny waiting for reply. Hay is hard to find because of the drought but will try to find some if you think of a different kind .If you have any ideas about what’s going on with the sick nannies I appreciate any idea . Thanks David

 

[Rancho Draco]

Have you had fecals checked for worm loads?