Sweet Clover Poisoning?

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by groovyoldlady, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    So, one of the 4-H families who bought goats from us just emailed me. Apparently their Lamancha just passed away due to what the vet diagnosed as "sweet clover" poisoning. She was such a sweet doe... They are so sad! (as are we!)

    I've been working with goats for 14 years now and yet I have never heard of this. Which is kinda scary! Can somebody fill me in? Should my girls NOT be eating clover? Because they do - all the time.
     
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  2. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    My goats eat clover. I think you need that vet's definition of what he means.
     

  3. NigerianDwarfOwner707

    NigerianDwarfOwner707 Well-Known Member

    May 17, 2018
    East Coast, USA
    Maybe just bloat? Too much lush grass which may have had clover in it?
     
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  4. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    Some clover is fine, but a lot, is a no no.
     
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  5. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    Looking online I see that it usually comes from bad clover in hay...
     
  6. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    OK, the family just came over to "borrow" a Nigerian as a companion for their mourning doe at home. It turns out it was not "bloat", but true "sweet clover poisoning" which causes the blood to be unable to clot. The goat basically bleeds to death internally. SUPER sad.

    The weird part is her remaining goat is just fine, even though both girls ate the same grass and the same hay.
     
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  7. ksalvagno

    ksalvagno Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Never heard of that. interesting.
     
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  8. Moers kiko boars

    Moers kiko boars Well-Known Member

    Apr 22, 2018
    Oklahoma
    They didnt spray their pasture with anything did they? Or their neighbors? This is the time of year farmers are spraying for pests.
     
  9. Goatzrule

    Goatzrule Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2013
    New England
    Yes clover is toxic when eaten in excess.
     
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  10. NDinKY

    NDinKY Well-Known Member

    645
    Aug 3, 2019
    Kentucky
    That sounds like coumarin poisoning. One of the older anticoagulants on the market (warfarin) was discovered by a cow bleeding out after eating pasture high in coumarin.

    Did the vet recommend giving vitamin K to the other goats eating that hay? Vitamin K is the antidote to that kind of poisoning.
     
  11. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    The vet did give vitamin K to the sick goat, but it was too little too late. I don't think anything was given to the remaining goat, but I will look into that - especially since one of our best does is now over there to keep her company. Thanks for bringing this up!
     
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  12. NDinKY

    NDinKY Well-Known Member

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    Aug 3, 2019
    Kentucky
    Vitamin K shouldn’t hurt anything and can only help. Did the vet do any blood tests to check clotting time on the remaining goat? If the prothrombin time is prolonged, vitamin K would be prudent to give.
     
  13. groovyoldlady

    groovyoldlady Goat Crazy!

    Jul 21, 2011
    Central Maine
    I will check with the family today!