Swollen face/cheeks

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  1. May 7, 2009 #1
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    One of my does has some major swelling in her cheeks/lower jaw. She did not have this swelling(or not nearly as much) yesterday morning. She does have diarrhea/runny/soft dog poop. But that is due to the sweet feed situation.
    They get a grass mix hay(freechoice) and 18% sweet feed(once a day, getting bumped up to twice a day). They also "mow" the backyard.
    She is still nursing two kids, but not very much since they are almost 3 months old.

    Here are some pictures.
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  3. May 7, 2009 #2
    ProctorHillFarm

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    That looks like bottle jaw to me- let me find you a link..
     
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  5. May 7, 2009 #3
    ProctorHillFarm

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    http://www.barnonemeatgoats.com/wormsorno.html

    Bottle Jaw - Caused by animal being infected with blood-sucking worms. Fluids are leaking from blood vessels and flow to the lower parts of the body. As the animal grazes during the day, the fluids build up in the head. Over night the fluids may partially drain away from the head. Lower face and jaw will dramatically swell especially during the evening. Gums may not have the normal color because of being anemic. Your worming medicine may not be effective or you may not have wormed recently. The animal needs to be wormed with a strong medication every 11 days for three times. It may also be anemic and need iron and vitamins given. Their system will have difficulty fighting off problems so you should use an antibiotic for several days to help.
     
    ProctorHillFarm, May 7, 2009
    ProctorHillFarm, May 7, 2009
  6. May 7, 2009 #4
    liz

    liz Well-Known Member

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    I agree, bottlejaw.
     
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  7. May 7, 2009 #5
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    Her throat isn't hard though, it feels very fluid-y.
     
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  8. May 7, 2009 #6
    StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    yup looks like bottle jaw. Caused most commonly from the barber pol worm. She needs to eb wormed with ivermectin. More then likely her soft stools are from the worm load.

    She may need some iron injections to keep from getting infested again.

    If she is low on iron then the worms will come right back. So you need to build her body back up as you worm her.
     
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  9. May 7, 2009 #7
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    Alright, so I need:
    Vit B complex
    Nutri-drench/other vit drench
    Ivermectin

    What ivermectin is best?
     
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  10. May 7, 2009 #8
    ProctorHillFarm

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  11. May 7, 2009 #9
    ProctorHillFarm

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    I would def use Ivermectin Plus INJECTABLE- do not use orally or the kill rate may be too quick if she is that infested

    I would also copper bolus- probiotics, and def Iron, vit b complex and I would also do vit A&D

    One dose of Ivermectin plus injectable- then one again at 10 days, and one 10 days after that...
     
    ProctorHillFarm, May 7, 2009
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  12. May 7, 2009 #10
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    Should i inject everyone, or just her?
    Does the bottle have a rate for goats?
     
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  13. May 7, 2009 #11
    StaceyRosado

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    what proctorhill said

    yes injectable rate is on the bottle: 1cc per 100lbs
     
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  14. May 7, 2009 #12
    ProctorHillFarm

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    I wouldnt think it would hurt to do everyone..whens the last time you wormed, and with what?
    I would imagine if she has an infestation she is probably not the only one
     
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  15. May 7, 2009 #13
    toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    yes ...bottle jaw ........I agree with everyone..... :wink:
     
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  16. May 7, 2009 #14
    RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

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    I agree. Bottlejaw
     
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  17. May 7, 2009 #15
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    Well, time to make everyone mad lol!
    Poor babies are gonna hate me.
     
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  18. May 7, 2009 #16
    RowdyKidz

    RowdyKidz Senior Member

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    They'll forgive you in time, and with some food. :)
    Good luck, and keep us updated. :)
     
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  19. May 7, 2009 #17
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    I have some questions about dosing.

    Iron Dextran-100
    Dosage for pigs is 1mL IM and can be repeated every 10 days. This would be 100 mg of iron. Is this dose fine for goats? When should I repeat it? Do I absolutely have to give it IM, or can I give it SQ?

    Vitamin A D
    IM or SQ in neck and lists a cattle dose(calves .5 to 1 mL). What should I dose a goat at? And it says it can be repeated after 60 days. Is this a drug I should re-dose? It cautions against use in healthy animals- should I only use it on the doe w/ bottle jaw, or give it to anyone that's anemic?

    Vitamin B Complex
    IM, or SQ/IV(if vet recommends it) calves, swine and sheep 5mL per 100lbs. May be repeated daily. I have heard that VitB can be given orally- is this true/a better route?

    Sorry for all the questions- I've never had anything like this happen!
     
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  20. May 7, 2009 #18
    StaceyRosado

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    yes thats the iron you want.

    I gave it for a total of 5 days in a row 1/2cc once a day for a pygmy. A friend uses 1cc for her boers and gives it for a total of 7 days in a row for bad bottlejaw cases. I always gave it IM. Most things IM can be given SQ it just takes longer ot be obsorbed by the body.

    Dont know a thing about the A&D

    Bcomplex you cant OD on - you will want to give more if you give it orally. I found muchbetter results with giving it IM or SQ though.
     
    StaceyRosado, May 7, 2009
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  21. May 7, 2009 #19
    PixieDustHollow

    PixieDustHollow New Member

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    I'm gonna give her .5cc of the AD today only, 5cc VitB everyday for atleast a week and 1cc Iron for a week.
    We'll see how much she hates me.

    All the others are going to get VitB and one dose of Iron.
     
    PixieDustHollow, May 7, 2009
    PixieDustHollow, May 7, 2009
  22. May 8, 2009 #20
    toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    How did it go.....?
     
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