Taking these girls to 1st show, please evaluate

Discussion in 'Dairy Diaries' started by cbartram, May 30, 2010.

  1. cbartram

    cbartram New Member

    May 30, 2010
    Tulia, Texas
    Hi - I am new to the forum though I've been lurking for a while. Taking my nubians to their first (and mine) show and we are scared to death! We are located in the Texas Panhandle and are a very small herd of nubians and lovely kinders. I just recently branched into the nubians and am trying to start out right. Please evaluate - here's the link and this time I hope it posts without telling me to log in again!

    This is Val, yearling FF




    This is Jazz, yearling dry doe

  2. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    showing is a lot of fun - my word of advice.... enjoy yourself and learn a lot.

    as to yoru girls -- I would loin them a bit so they level off over their chine to rump and they will do better in the ring. Dont place their feed to far forward either this messes with their topline as well. I think you have two pretty ladies and I hope you do well

  3. cbartram

    cbartram New Member

    May 30, 2010
    Tulia, Texas
    @ Stacey - thanks so much for your reply. I've put a couple of pounds onto Val (black FF) since this pic. Also, stupid question, but how do you "loin"? Told you I was a newbie! We've showed 4H with the meaties but this is a whole new experience!
  4. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    run your fingers from her withers down to her hip bones. Between this area is the chine (closer to the withers) and then the loin (closer to the hips).

    As you run your fingers on either side of the spine put pressure as you do so and when you reach the loin area it will make her flatten out and look more level and up hill.
  5. QualityCaprine

    QualityCaprine New Member

    Nov 24, 2007
    I have been to three ADGA judge’s training conferences(Colorado 2007, California 2008, and Arizona 2009) and have showed for several years. As you probably know, the score card has four parts for Sr Does and 3 parts for Jr Does and Bucks. General appearance, mammary system, dairy character(DC) and body capacity all have points with the most points in general appearance(GA) and mammary system(MS). Body capacity(BC) has the least amount of points. Your ADGA guidebook has the scorecard in it. As you probably also know, that how well a doe does in the ring is based purely on the competition. A gorgeous doe might get last place if the other does are just as or more correct.

    As a first freshener, A doe should be correct on her feet and legs(huge part of GA) and should have a well attached and shaped mammary. As a doe matures, she will typically develop more BC and a more capacious udder.

    First Freshener - Good Points
    GA- She seems to be long, with acceptable breed characteristics, and has plenty of rump length. She seems to have a very nice front end.

    DC- She seems open and angular with a long, lean neck.

    BC- She seems to be lacking, but she will get more depth and width with age.

    MS- This is her weakest category.

    Judges are taught to judge on the move. Much changes on a doe that is walking. You can see how she levels out or breaks. You can also see if there is movement in the front end and also if her pasterns are weak. Walking also evens the playing field for less experienced exhibitors and less cooperative does.

    First Freshener- Not So Good Points
    GA- I do not know how she is on the move, but she does dip in the chine and her rump angle is a little steep. Her pasterns seem a little weak for such a young doe.

    DC- Probably her strongest category. I could tell more if I could see her move and also feel her.

    BC- She seems to be lacking, but she will get more depth and width with age.

    MS- Teats are too far forward. Picture suggests that the mammary is not well attached and would have significant movement on the walk. Mammary does not show the proper 1/3,1/3,1/3 with little extension on the fore.

    Dry Yearling- She seems very similar to the first freshener except she has posty back legs. She could have more angulation on the move.

    On both of the does, their front ends seem exceptional.

    Have fun at the show!