Thin doe is anemic.

Discussion in 'Goat Management' started by jaytori220, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. jaytori220

    jaytori220 New Member

    Mar 24, 2009
    Melbourne, Fl.
    :help: My oldest ND doe which I mouthed her at 5+ years is thin and anemic. She really has never been able to gain weight so I started giving her Dumor Pelleted and beet pulp. She eats and acts normal. All of my goats get free choice orchard grass/alfalfa hay, free choice loose minerals, and free choice alfalfa pellets. I checked all of them today and all are pink and she is the only one with white lids. We do not have access to a goat vet. In the mean time for immediate care I gave her 3cc of Ivomec injectable orally and I can give her more if needed. She weighs about 70-80 lbs. 3cc of red cell. Im not sure how much red cell to give her so I started with that. I will continue with that until I see her pink up. I will dose her again with the Ivomec in 7 days. I am going to look for an inexpensive fecal test kit and scope online. But for now this is all I could do. If there is other info you could give me by all means I want to know .
  2. toth boer goats

    toth boer goats Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Corning California
    not sure about how much red cell.. :scratch: ....sounds like.. you gave her the right amount of Ivomac..... and treating her 7 to 10 days later is good...

    Other things that come to mind is .. cocci...adults may not show scours ...but may loose weight for no apparent reason ...even when feeding them well.....also she may have tapes....we don't know... the exact cause.... without a fecal test....but these things come to mind.... :hug: I will pray for your doe :pray:

  3. jaytori220

    jaytori220 New Member

    Mar 24, 2009
    Melbourne, Fl.
    Thanks TBG. I am definatly looking into getting a microscope and test kit. Ive been looking on Ebay and I prefer the cheapest I can get that will do the job. What should I look into?
  4. sparks879

    sparks879 New Member

    If you rule out cocci. Lice would be my next guess. sometimes you dont see the bugs but they can suck an animal dry. To the point she wont gain weight and her membranes are pale. Another wormer you could try is cydectin. Its a por on and pretty pricey but it works great for lice. If you know someone you can slipt the cost with that would help. Also ivermectin pour on will get lice. If you know any cattle farmers in your area thatsa good start.
    You may also be able to get a small amount from your vet.
  5. sweetgoats

    sweetgoats Moderator

    Oct 18, 2007
    Peyton CO.
    Determining the cause of the anemia and its companion symptom bottle jaw
    is the first step. The best field indicator of anemia is a high FAMACHA
    score (4 to 5). Have fecal s done by a qualified vet or veterinary
    technician to determine the causative agent and level of infection.
    Note: The presence of liver flukes cannot be detected by a normal fecal
    test; a fecal sedimentation test is necessary. Choose a dewormer
    appropriate for the problem and treat the goat. Do not deworm the goat
    over and over and over again. Over-deworming can stress the goat even
    more than it is already stressed. Deworm, wait a week, and have fecal
    counts done. If worms are still present, encysted worms have likely
    hatched, so deworm again with appropriate dosage.

    Producers who expect the anemic goat to be well quickly after deworming
    will be disappointed, because they've taken only the first step
    towards restoring the goat to good health. Daily injections of Vitamin
    B 12 given IM (into the muscle) and weekly oral dosing of Red Cell iron
    supplement or injectable iron for a minimum of two weeks are important
    supportive therapies. Vitamin B 12 is an injectable red liquid which
    must be obtained through a vet's prescription. Red Cell is an
    orally-dosed over-the-counter equine product. Ferrodex 100 and Dextran
    iron injectables are available OTC in most states. While it is
    possible to overdose a goat with iron (and copper), this probably won't
    happen even with daily dosing (except in kids) because rebuilding
    red blood cells occurs slowly. However, it is best to err on the side
    of safety and dose the iron daily for a few days and then weekly
    thereafter. Geritol is not recommended as an oral iron supplement for
    goats because it contains alcohol. Giving vitamin B 12 injections
    daily is safe because all of the B vitamins are water soluble -- what
    the goat doesn't use, it eliminates from its body in urine. A healthy
    rumen produces its own B vitamins daily. An anemic goat is obviously
    not a healthy goat. Estimated dosing for Vitamin B 12 is 4 cc per 100
    pounds bodyweight; for Red Cell, 6 cc per 100 pounds body weight; for
    injectable Ferrodex 100, 4 cc per 100 pounds body weight. Producers
    should monitor the goat's reaction to these iron products, some of which
    may also contain copper, and adjust frequency and amount of dosages
    Offer the goat green leaves, alfalfa hay, and high protein pelleted goat
    feed to help rebuild red blood cells. Keep in mind that anemia results
    from a massive decrease in protein caused by the loss of red blood cells
    to blood-sucking internal parasites. Recovery from anemia can take
    weeks and sometimes months. Goats lose weight very fast and put it
    back on very slowly. Gain that is too rapid will be deposited as
    layers of fat around internal organs, so slow and steady re-gain of
    weight by a recovering goat is best.

    Other sources of anemia may come from external parasites such as
    blood-sucking lice, ticks, and fleas. However, the blood loss from
    external parasites pales in comparison to that lost from internal
  6. StaceyRosado

    StaceyRosado Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Oct 4, 2007
    I use Ivermectin at a rate of 1cc per 20lbs orally so you may want to give a little extra to cover the fact that she is over 60lbs -- under dosing can be just as bad as not dosing.

    cocci is also a possibility -- adult goats rarely get diarrhea but they will loose muscle mass