1. My doe delivered a dead kid. He was beautiful but we were unable to resuscitate him. She immediately went into a severe depression. so I looked around and found a Nubian bottle baby for 10 bucks. She took him so my Lamancha doe has a Nubian buckling. lol\ 2. One of my first fresheners kidded triplets-she seemed fine, cleaned them up , they were nursing well, she was eating and drinking but the next morning she was dead. No signs of distress - laying like she was curled up sleeping. of course one of my favs and all I got are bucklings which are all on bottles. May try to sell them as bottle babies.